Is religious belief that important to you in a relationship?

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18 May 2011, 4:12 pm

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Re clergy and marriage plus some food for thought, 1st Timothy 3:2 talking about the qualifications set for becoming a bishop one of which is this "the husband of one wife", Catholic Bishops might have a problem.


I doubt that since St. Paul was speaking to a people who were populated with married men. The distinction was for them to have one wife as opposed to having a dozen wives. He also instructs these same people to remain single and celibate if they're lucky enough to be unmarried when they convert. This is what set the tone for the dictate of celibacy and bachelorhood for Catholic clergy.


I've never really understood celibacy and religion. Could you shed some light on it for me, we?


I quested that too especially when God give one of the first edicts of go forth and mutliply. Now what was God talking about, mental arithmetic? :lol:



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18 May 2011, 4:15 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
Moog wrote:
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Re clergy and marriage plus some food for thought, 1st Timothy 3:2 talking about the qualifications set for becoming a bishop one of which is this "the husband of one wife", Catholic Bishops might have a problem.


I doubt that since St. Paul was speaking to a people who were populated with married men. The distinction was for them to have one wife as opposed to having a dozen wives. He also instructs these same people to remain single and celibate if they're lucky enough to be unmarried when they convert. This is what set the tone for the dictate of celibacy and bachelorhood for Catholic clergy.


I've never really understood celibacy and religion. Could you shed some light on it for me, we?


I quested that too especially when God give one of the first edicts of go forth and mutliply. Now what was God talking about, mental arithmetic? :lol:


I dunno, I'd just like to understand the benefit of celibacy. Buddhist monks do it too, and I don't get it.


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18 May 2011, 5:47 pm

No not at all I keep my religion to myself



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18 May 2011, 6:59 pm

Moog wrote:
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Re clergy and marriage plus some food for thought, 1st Timothy 3:2 talking about the qualifications set for becoming a bishop one of which is this "the husband of one wife", Catholic Bishops might have a problem.


I doubt that since St. Paul was speaking to a people who were populated with married men. The distinction was for them to have one wife as opposed to having a dozen wives. He also instructs these same people to remain single and celibate if they're lucky enough to be unmarried when they convert. This is what set the tone for the dictate of celibacy and bachelorhood for Catholic clergy.


I've never really understood celibacy and religion. Could you shed some light on it for me, we?


I quested that too especially when God give one of the first edicts of go forth and mutliply. Now what was God talking about, mental arithmetic? :lol:


I dunno, I'd just like to understand the benefit of celibacy. Buddhist monks do it too, and I don't get it.


:shrug:

I've never been a fan so I don't know. There is a theological reason behind it... Sacrifice of flesh to focus on the spiritual. But I've no desire to go that way.



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19 May 2011, 4:05 am

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I dunno, I'd just like to understand the benefit of celibacy. Buddhist monks do it too, and I don't get it.


If I remember right, it's because sex is such a distraction from everything else. But that didn't worry Alan Watts.....he had tons of girlfriends but he still managed to be a star player in Zen Buddhism.



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19 May 2011, 4:09 am

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I dunno, I'd just like to understand the benefit of celibacy. Buddhist monks do it too, and I don't get it.


If I remember right, it's because sex is such a distraction from everything else. But that didn't worry Alan Watts.....he had tons of girlfriends but he still managed to be a star player in Zen Buddhism.


My thinking is that sex is only a problem if it's an attachment. I guess that for a lot of people, sex is a serious attachment? I've never been that bothered. For me, addiction to mental stimulation is the doozy.


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19 May 2011, 5:02 am

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I guess that for a lot of people, sex is a serious attachment?

Yes.....at least it would normally lead me to a serious attachment. I suppose biologically my brain thinks I'm starting a family, and therefore diverts the lion's share of my system resources to the partner. Given what it does to most people emotionally when they acquire or lose a sexual partner, I'd say it was pretty normal for sex to be a powerful distraction. Ask any salmon.



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19 May 2011, 7:15 am

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To be perfectly frank about Wefunction's view of interfaith marriage based on 2nd Corinthians 6:14, I personal disagree with the ideal of a partner's 'free ride' to heaven, as I feel there's missing elements to that idea ...

I think that stems from a mis-interpretation of something in Torah where a husband's word could over-ride his wife's and thereby relieve her of the consequences of a bad decision (in a family-protective kind of way).

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... I'd just like to understand the benefit of celibacy. Buddhist monks do it too, and I don't get it.

I believe that comes from here:

"And I say this as a concession, [and] not as a command. For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from Elohim, one in this way and another in that. And I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am, but if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to burn."
(1Corinthians 7:6-9)

In other words: Better to be alone than to "miss your call".


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19 May 2011, 8:29 am

leejosepho wrote:
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To be perfectly frank about Wefunction's view of interfaith marriage based on 2nd Corinthians 6:14, I personal disagree with the ideal of a partner's 'free ride' to heaven, as I feel there's missing elements to that idea ...

I think that stems from a mis-interpretation of something in Torah where a husband's word could over-ride his wife's and thereby relieve her of the consequences of a bad decision (in a family-protective kind of way).


Except that St. Paul spoke to believing women about their non-believing husbands in this letter. It was the honoring of the marital union of two people becoming one and was not based on gender.



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19 May 2011, 9:05 am

wefunction wrote:
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To be perfectly frank about Wefunction's view of interfaith marriage based on 2nd Corinthians 6:14, I personal disagree with the ideal of a partner's 'free ride' to heaven, as I feel there's missing elements to that idea ...

I think that stems from a mis-interpretation of something in Torah where a husband's word could over-ride his wife's and thereby relieve her of the consequences of a bad decision (in a family-protective kind of way).


Except that St. Paul spoke to believing women about their non-believing husbands in this letter. It was the honoring of the marital union of two people becoming one and was not based on gender.

No disagreement there, and I think that kind of consideration simply follows along with the first, at least in relation to personal, situational practice.

Question: Have you ever heard/read the book "What, Me Obey Him?"

A friend of mine has often struggled with that kind of question, and yet she appreciates the overall "cover" her husband actually does provide even though much of his own "practice" is really nothing more than a combination of "law-keeping" and "mental assent".


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19 May 2011, 4:41 pm

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No disagreement there, and I think that kind of consideration simply follows along with the first, at least in relation to personal, situational practice.

Question: Have you ever heard/read the book "What, Me Obey Him?"

A friend of mine has often struggled with that kind of question, and yet she appreciates the overall "cover" her husband actually does provide even though much of his own "practice" is really nothing more than a combination of "law-keeping" and "mental assent".


I haven't heard of that book. I'll look into it now. I should disclose that my personal beliefs leave the final judgment very open. I have no idea what judgments will actually be doled out to people, who will get into Heaven and who won't. I don't know because it's not my job to know. But I can recite what St. Paul had to say on the subject. :)



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19 May 2011, 4:48 pm

I could never date an atheist but at the same time I could never date a religious woman.