applying pickup skills in real life - an example

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I think you missed reading what I read darling before the OP cleaned up his mistake by editing it, I get the feeling this guy just stated out in the cult.

I get what you're saying on some level. But, simply because we don't all have rival theories to offer doesn't mean that there's a "missing piece." What I would suggest is that he do no harm. How's that for an "instead"?

Well you just posted after me quoting cdfox7, who seems to have a good system there (or a small portion of it)

I don't know the history of PUA or how it intersects NLP, but they do seem related.

I recommend people look at the Buddhist Eighfold path... there's a lot of mileage to be got out of that for radical self transformation. It's ancient, millions of practitioners swear by it, there is no element of attempting to manipulate others. It's free. The info is all out there on the internet. It's good for learning to deal with any awkward maids in your life in a positive way and 100x more as well.

according to him, he doesn't need a solution as learning PUA has fixed everything, and he clearly doesn't want to hear any alternatives. for fun, i'll throw in my suggestions: individual counselling and group therapy.

Moog that seduction community & PUA started out from Ross Jeffries mucking around with hypnosis and NLP to create Speed Seduction back in the 90s. NLP been going around since the late 70s.

hyperlexian hun a cattle prod might help him change his mind about PUA also I'll suggest aversion and shock therapies (joke)

best suggestions yet!

I did look into NLP briefly at one point, it certainly does look interesting. Wish I had time to check it out more thoroughly.

cdfox7 - i edited my comment because i'd prefer to focus on responding to the people who are positive or are providing useful critical feedback rather than just attacks. i know a lot about NLP.

if you choose to be positive, i'll be happy to respond in future. the rest will be ignored.

You can't expect anyone to take you seriously if you cannot handle negative feedback.

stop reframing what I been saying to you to meet your needs. You do know that Erickson abused his own techniques for his own sexual kicks, don't you now?

The textual equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LA LA LA LA LA LA LA'

You prefer people who will admire and give you praise. I've met wayyyy too many people like you. Your idea of positive isn't realistic. When will narcissists and sociopaths learn that aspies and those with autism aren't as gullible as the textbooks describe and in fact fool you into believing we're a great easy target when really it's NT's who are easily guided by their emotions and your fake cheesy smiles?

I get it, you see potential in us and you probably gather the idea that you can give yourself a username "GuywithAS" and try to convert us into being more like you. The more the merrier right?

The problem with that is, it sets off the same reaction as the strong sense of justice meter which is also the same for the BS meter. I can tell by how you type, how you can't admit that perhaps your methods can trigger hurtful reactions from others plus how you just keep going with your manipulative tactics that you are a little too socially calculative to have AS.

In reality, sociopaths and narcissists do have the same lack of emotional response as those with AS. Maybe you've found common ground with that. What you're lacking in however is a good comparison as to how your way is the most beneficial nor do you mention the results of blowback.

Now before you start to feel the rage over this "criticism" and vow revenge, think about it objectively rather than letting your rage control you.

That sounds fair to me, actually. No one is ever required to respond to a post -- positive or negative. But, the elephant in the room is the fact that "the people who are positive or are providing useful critical feedback" are pretty few and far between, right? I mean, in general, the response to this body of ideas has been OVERWHELMINGLY negative -- if not outright hostile. I have to believe you when you say your goal is to help people with AS learn how to handle social situations better -- or something along those lines. The fact is, though, that just about everyone here (the majority of whom are members of your target audience, I assume) has recoiled in horror at most of these ideas. How does that influence your thinking on this? If this is truly an AS panacea -- the only solution, I think you called it -- why do you suppose so many folks are responding so negatively toward it? You've pointed out multiple times that you have AS. Well, you're not the only one. Don't you think at least a few of us would recognize a good thing when it came along???

negative feedback is absolutely fine (i wrote "useful critical feedback"). actually its very helpful. the problem here is straight attacks. i know, people have "PUA" burned into their brains and can't see past it. for the good of the autism community i am going to figure out which techniques are useful and how to present them in the right way. i know how tough life is for aspies. and i'm working my ass off to do this - even though in the long term others will likely take the credit since i'll be moving onto founding a technology business unrelated to autism.

you'll see the results soon, and "useful critical feedback" at that point would be most welcome.

i'm glad you see the gravity of the problem and how what i'm doing here is very difficult. actually this community isn't my target audience. my target audience will be the professionals who treat everyone here. but they charge $225-$300/hr to talk to and i don't learn much from them!

see, the truth is that this stuff works. not just works a little, it actually SOLVES the social issues for aspergers. it strikes right at the heart of the aspergers problem.

i know this is true because it happened for me personally. and i'm possibly the only person in the world who has studied intensive game AND has intensively delved into the aspergers community. i've spent time with some of hte top autism therapists in the world and learned very little.

so why do i endure this? because i'm right. this isn't an ambiguous thing. its a binary thing. there IS a solution to the social problems for autism. and it can be broadened to help EVERYONE on the autism spectrum. i am convinced this will affect hundreds of millions of lives. no joke.

the main problem is how to present it in the right way. thats the key problem. and i'm going to solve it because this is too important.

fortunately today i connected some key pieces together, and i'll keep working at it until this is clear for everyone. then i'll go away, and make an internet business unrelated to autism and not bother anyone here anymore

Last edited by guywithAS on 04 Jun 2011, 7:00 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Don't mistake my reply as constructive criticism. (Yes, that's what it's actually called but I understand you probably find the word 'criticism' too negative.)

When I read your posts, all I hear is my whiny 4 year old. She likes to try and manipulate me to get what she wants, too. She's also quite fond of pretending I don't tell her no. My constructive criticism for you would be to wait until you've emotionally matured before you try to advise others on their inter-personal relationships.