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15 Aug 2011, 4:57 pm

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Maybe we need a men's forum to release all of our suppressed "misoginy", after all ;)


This is what pisses me off with some of the gender feminists they some times mix up the meanings of misongy with androcentrism.
I refereed to gender feminists as gynocentric in another thread only to have two women assume that I called gender feminists misandric. :roll:



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15 Aug 2011, 5:05 pm

Chronos wrote:
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Maybe we need a men's forum to release all of our suppressed "misoginy", after all ;)


There used to be one. It was shut down. I'm not exactly sure why as it was before my time.


It was shut down because of the misogyny.


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15 Aug 2011, 5:30 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Maybe we need a men's forum to release all of our suppressed "misoginy", after all ;)


This is what pisses me off with some of the gender feminists they some times mix up the meanings of misongy with androcentrism.
I refereed to gender feminists as gynocentric in another thread only to have two women assume that I called gender feminists misandric. :roll:


Just out of curiosity, what are the definitions of androcentrism and gynocentrism?


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15 Aug 2011, 6:13 pm

I think all generalizations are wrong.




(get it?)



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15 Aug 2011, 6:15 pm

emilieTomorrow wrote:
I think all generalizations are wrong.




(get it?)


I think that the specific generalization above is correct. :P


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15 Aug 2011, 6:19 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Maybe we need a men's forum to release all of our suppressed "misoginy", after all ;)


This is what pisses me off with some of the gender feminists they some times mix up the meanings of misongy with androcentrism.
I refereed to gender feminists as gynocentric in another thread only to have two women assume that I called gender feminists misandric. :roll:


Just out of curiosity, what are the definitions of androcentrism and gynocentrism?

Simply gynocentrism is female centred perspective and androcentism is male centred.



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15 Aug 2011, 6:24 pm

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From my point of view, it seems like women pick and choose guys they want to talk to or pursue because of status or what their friends will think, or because they have power/money, etc.

this must be why men who are poor or who have low social status never get any women, and why a woman's friends have to always approve of who she dates.

except... it isn't true. *some* women are like that, just like *some* men are equally interested in a woman's social status/looks/money. that doesn't mean they are *all* like that.


If you replace "some" with "most" then I would agree with you. There are always exceptions that proves the rule. What I've noticed from most decent looking girls/women ( even some ugly ones) I've been around growing up is that they want a man that is handsome/in shape, interesting, charismatic, relatively wealthy, and/or popular/have high socially status. Confidence is another major quality, but that goes hand-in-hand with some of the things that I mentioned.

Society in general is responsible for how shallow and superficial the world is today. People are always trying to one-up other. With their pride and ego, they need to date someone "high quality" to show off to their friends and make other people jealous.


I was born with none of the qualities that I mentioned, so I'm pretty much f**** when it comes to dating and having friends in general.

considering the large number of people that don't have money, social status or good looks, i'd say it's not just these things that women look for. we would all be fighting after the same top 1% of men, and we aren't. just because they don't go for you doesn't mean they only like men of a certain type.


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15 Aug 2011, 10:29 pm

For the record, I love women. They can be warm, wonderful, kind, loving, and giving - except when they aren't.

This is the Real World.



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15 Aug 2011, 11:29 pm

Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?



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15 Aug 2011, 11:31 pm

SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?

it isn't just alpha males and bad boys who date women, otherwise just a few men would have large harems of women... and that isn't the case.


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15 Aug 2011, 11:39 pm

SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?


When people are desperate and impatient, they prefer not to work very hard, and bad boys do most of the work...but it comes with a price. Everything in life is a trade off, and if you aren't willing to take the time to get to know someone, they aren't going to stick around long. The better you know someone, the harder it is to let go of them, because there is more to let go of. As far as complaining goes, what do you think a woman's reaction is going to be to excessive complaining? Motherly instincts? But of course. Whether your complaints are valid or not, all complaining sounds the same. Roughly translated, it sounds like this: I don't feel like fixing the problem I'm describing. Who wants to be around a mope monster? I know I don't.



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16 Aug 2011, 12:02 am

SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?


There is another poster on here who is devastated because a girl he liked "gave him a chance" or the relationship rather, and did not develop feelings for him.

There is nothing wrong with people not dating those they aren't initially attracted to.



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16 Aug 2011, 12:02 am

SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Some men would do well to look to themselves for the real source of their unpopularity.
SadAspy wrote:
Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?

They give other guys a chance, but what do most guys do with that chance? Whine and complain about their problems!

To gain a woman's interest, be interesting.



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18 Aug 2011, 6:08 pm

SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?


For someone who is clearly smart you sure write some stupid sh*t.

You won't ever get a chance from people because your attitude radiates hate, you think you're nice but you act like just as much of an arse as these "alpha" males.



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18 Aug 2011, 6:46 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?


For someone who is clearly smart you sure write some stupid sh*t.

You won't ever get a chance from people because your attitude radiates hate, you think you're nice but you act like just as much of an arse as these "alpha" males.

His post is out of frustration & I think your response to him could be interpreted as being mean & rude; saying that his attitude radiates hate could seem very insulting. Those responses from a woman will only increase his feeling of frustration about women. You would have a better chance of changing his attitude by being sympathetic & showing him that not all women are like that instead of arguing with him which would only make him more ticked-off at women.


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18 Aug 2011, 6:50 pm

nick007 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
Women could stop giving us so many reasons to complain about them...

Stop dating only alpha males or bad boys and give other guys a chance. Would that really be so terrible?


For someone who is clearly smart you sure write some stupid sh*t.

You won't ever get a chance from people because your attitude radiates hate, you think you're nice but you act like just as much of an arse as these "alpha" males.

His post is out of frustration & I think your response to him could be interpreted as being mean & rude; saying that his attitude radiates hate could seem very insulting. Those responses from a woman will only increase his feeling of frustration about women. You would have a better chance of changing his attitude by being sympathetic & showing him that not all women are like that instead of arguing with him which would only make him more ticked-off at women


I'm not going to pander to someone with such ridiculous views. It will just add to him thinking what he's saying is accaptable and/or healthy. If he was just down and not spurting out all these gross generalisations, more people would be sympathetic.

He has been very rude to women here who have been nice to him, or ignored them completely. So it clearly doesn't help any more.

I've never noticed you having an acid attitude to all women, Nick, from what I've seen you were frustrated but still quite respectful.