Open Marriage
One, I didn't, but poly is about "unfulfilled sexual needs in monogamy", is it not?
And two, if you don't want to come off manipulative, then please tell your poly buddies to stop selling a line to spouses/SOs that amounts to "if you love me, are psychologically well, and aren't a narrow-minded jealousy-ridden creep, you'll be open to trying it. If not, I may just have to go in order to Get Needs Fulfilled. Despite promises and kids' needs. It's too bad your mind just isn't open enough to keep us all happy."
Maybe you should go back and read the OP's story. He's married with kids, and his wife's just sprung this on him.
No, it's not. True poly is about the emotional connection between people. Like monogamy, the sex is secondary.
I read the OP. It's a necro thread so I see no point in responding to it.
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One, I didn't, but poly is about "unfulfilled sexual needs in monogamy", is it not?
And two, if you don't want to come off manipulative, then please tell your poly buddies to stop selling a line to spouses/SOs that amounts to "if you love me, are psychologically well, and aren't a narrow-minded jealousy-ridden creep, you'll be open to trying it. If not, I may just have to go in order to Get Needs Fulfilled. Despite promises and kids' needs. It's too bad your mind just isn't open enough to keep us all happy..
No, it's not. True poly is about the emotional connection between people. Like monogamy, the sex is secondary.
There seems to be major confusion about that in the poly community, then. (Unless this is like religion, where some of y'all are pointing to others and saying, but you're not a real whatever.) If all you want is an emotional connection, it's not a big deal for most. "Work wives" and "work husbands" are pretty common and well-tolerated, but they don't share beds, households, etc. Most women have deep emotional connections with lots of people anyway. In other words, you've got more baloney on a platter, here. The issue's the bed-hopping and the multiple de-facto marriage
One, I didn't, but poly is about "unfulfilled sexual needs in monogamy", is it not?
And two, if you don't want to come off manipulative, then please tell your poly buddies to stop selling a line to spouses/SOs that amounts to "if you love me, are psychologically well, and aren't a narrow-minded jealousy-ridden creep, you'll be open to trying it. If not, I may just have to go in order to Get Needs Fulfilled. Despite promises and kids' needs. It's too bad your mind just isn't open enough to keep us all happy..
No, it's not. True poly is about the emotional connection between people. Like monogamy, the sex is secondary.
There seems to be major confusion about that in the poly community, then. (Unless this is like religion, where some of y'all are pointing to others and saying, but you're not a real whatever.) If all you want is an emotional connection, it's not a big deal for most. "Work wives" and "work husbands" are pretty common and well-tolerated, but they don't share beds, households, etc. Most women have deep emotional connections with lots of people anyway. In other words, you've got more baloney on a platter, here. The issue's the bed-hopping and the multiple de-facto marriage
Where did I say that's *all* a poly relationship should be? Goodness... for someone that's supposedly done their research you don't seem to know much beyond "Poly peps have lots of da sex"
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That, I can agree with. Everyone needs to be on board and not feel forced to accept a way that goes against their nature. Open and poly relationships are not easy, and they aren't for everyone.
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No, you didn't say it's all a poly relationship should be. But it's what distinguishes a poly relationship from types of arrangements that most people are perfectly content to live with. Take out the bed-sharing and the multi-marriage-ish aspect, leave the emotional connection and support, and you have what the rest of the world calls deep friendships.
I have lots of these with old college friends, married ex-boyfriends, longtime online penpals. We talk about nearly everything under the sun, love and care for each other deeply, have done for decades. Does this make me poly, no. It makes me a good friend and an important person in their lives. Their wives are fine with it, because they know perfectly well that their guys aren't going to run off to bed with me or decide it's time to come live with me for a while, or try to persuade them to move me into their households, participate in raising their children, etc.
Pretending that doesn't make the difference is simply disingenuous, although I suspect that many people talking a poly line do not actually have experience with parenthood, let alone married parenthood, and are just theorizing.
I have lots of these with old college friends, married ex-boyfriends, longtime online penpals. We talk about nearly everything under the sun, love and care for each other deeply, have done for decades. Does this make me poly, no. It makes me a good friend and an important person in their lives. Their wives are fine with it, because they know perfectly well that their guys aren't going to run off to bed with me or decide it's time to come live with me for a while, or try to persuade them to move me into their households, participate in raising their children, etc.
Pretending that doesn't make the difference is simply disingenuous, although I suspect that many people talking a poly line do not actually have experience with parenthood, let alone married parenthood, and are just theorizing.
"Deep friendships" involve sexual desire and being in love to you?
Where I come from, that's called an emotional affair. You know... cheating.
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I have lots of these with old college friends, married ex-boyfriends, longtime online penpals. We talk about nearly everything under the sun, love and care for each other deeply, have done for decades. Does this make me poly, no. It makes me a good friend and an important person in their lives. Their wives are fine with it, because they know perfectly well that their guys aren't going to run off to bed with me or decide it's time to come live with me for a while, or try to persuade them to move me into their households, participate in raising their children, etc.
Pretending that doesn't make the difference is simply disingenuous, although I suspect that many people talking a poly line do not actually have experience with parenthood, let alone married parenthood, and are just theorizing.
"Deep friendships" involve sexual desire and being in love to you?
Where I come from, that's called an emotional affair. You know... cheating.
No, you're not paying very good attention. They do not involve sex or sexual desire, which is why the wives are fine with my calling/emailing their husbands. You said you were after emotional connection: well, that's what we have. What we don't have is the bed-hopping and the multi-marriage-ish business. Which, in the end, is what poly is about. If you strip out that part, you have friendships. So please do not come telling me that poly is primarily about emotional connection.
Spin it however you want, you are either having emotional affairs with these women or you do not understand polyamory.
Uh...no.
a) I don't think you're reading all the words. I am a woman. I have strong friendships, which are deep emotional connections, with both men and women. Some of the men used to be my boyfriends, long ago. Some of these friendships are 30 years old.
b) Are you saying that you can't have deep friendships without sex and romance? Perhaps you should talk to more women. We tend to have deep, long-lived, emotionally complex friendships that don't involve sex or romance. Many of us remain close friends with ex-boyfriends and ex-husbands: the romantic relationship didn't work, and we each move on with our lives, but we care greatly about each other and remain in close and frequent contact. If a spouse or SO is insecure about this, we'll back off, because that relationship's more important. Often it's temporary and the friendship outlives the relationship with that spouse/SO. Usually, though, it isn't an issue -- again, because the spouses/SOs understand that the friendship is not sexual/romantic in nature and doesn't threaten the marriage or relationship.
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Tarantella, I don't think you fully comprehend what Tea is saying exactly.
Poly in word use, like much else, is taken completely different ways by different people. Few actually understand the term.
There are some people who simply have open relationships. Others do different things entirely. Some people have multiple relationships with multiple people. It's really not all about the sex either. These relationships are of different levels and depends, and some do include sex. There are many different aspects of relationships, not all of which can be put into words. Some of those are emotionally intimate, romantic, sex, because they have a different type of connection or particularly strong one with that person, personality, character traits, values or ethics, looks, compatibly in bed or out. This can lead to all types and forms of relationships because they can be any combination of them, but there are people who really simply do not get their needs met by having one relationship.
I know many such people who can't get their needs met by having one relationship. Instead they choose to cheat constantly and chronically and lie to their partner all the time. While you may able to, not all people can.
Personally, if someone can't do monogamous relationships, I would rather they be open about it than cheat and lie. It is better to get things on the table and be totally honest about it.
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The OP's real problem is that his wife is dictating the terms of the relationship.
Other than that, she just ruined trust (assuming he already had it) and now wants to add this extra dimension to the relationship that requires even more trust. The only way I could conceive that this could have a non-crappy outcome is if they both want the same thing, which they don't (or supposedly don't, maybe the OP might find he likes sleeping around). The least she could do is offer to do some threesomes with other girls with him since he's otherwise not in as strong a position to get laid.
Clusterf**k.
OP, this was some time ago, what came of it?
The fact that she cheated on me in the past for some reason doesn’t hurt me. I don’t like it and I don’t want her to do it again but for some reason I’m not emotionally upset about it. Not sure what to make of that.
It’s odd that she wants the open marriage and I don’t. I would imagine in most couples it would be the guy proposing the open marriage and the woman would be resisting it.
She’s irritated that I am “overanalyzing” the proposition but it seems like a serious issue that if not immediately rejected then it needs to be carefully considered.
I think you were not upset about the cheating because it sounds like it was never anything but sex. I think most guys wouldn't see that as the end of the world. The problem is if next time she develops feelings for some guy.
Honestly, I'm just going to go ahead and shoot myself in the foot here, your wife sounds like an idiot. She accuses you of overanalyzing something pretty serious, and wants to dictate the terms ("no rules at all"). Tell her you'll overanalyze whatever suits you.
The fact that she cheated on me in the past for some reason doesn’t hurt me. I don’t like it and I don’t want her to do it again but for some reason I’m not emotionally upset about it. Not sure what to make of that.
It’s odd that she wants the open marriage and I don’t. I would imagine in most couples it would be the guy proposing the open marriage and the woman would be resisting it.
She’s irritated that I am “overanalyzing” the proposition but it seems like a serious issue that if not immediately rejected then it needs to be carefully considered.
I think you were not upset about the cheating because it sounds like it was never anything but sex. I think most guys wouldn't see that as the end of the world. The problem is if next time she develops feelings for some guy.
Honestly, I'm just going to go ahead and shoot myself in the foot here, your wife sounds like an idiot. She accuses you of overanalyzing something pretty serious, and wants to dictate the terms ("no rules at all"). Tell her you'll overanalyze whatever suits you.
I know many such people who can't get their needs met by having one relationship. Instead they choose to cheat constantly and chronically and lie to their partner all the time. While you may able to, not all people can.
Personally, if someone can't do monogamous relationships, I would rather they be open about it than cheat and lie. It is better to get things on the table and be totally honest about it.
Please see above about the whole "getting needs met" business. Also, the time to get things on the table is before one has children. If you're going to be ethical about it, you'll also understand that unless you and your lovers have superhuman marital skills, your arrangement will likely need simplification before you have children, because the floating/unstable thing isn't good for them.
My impression overall in reading poly-community stuff is that it's largely written by people who believe they'll be thirtysomething, in reasonable good health, and childless forever. The time goes faster than you think it will, your parents will also be gone faster than you think they will, and in the end it's a tremendous amount of work to be seriously committed to one person, let alone several. Most people don't have the stamina for more than one, especially as they get older. And as you get older I think you will find that it's a matter of survival and wellbeing to have someone who is committed to you. Actual needs turn out to be very prosaic.
Not to be a downer, or anything.
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