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How is prostitution psychologically damaging? And why is prostitution bad for being so, if it's damaging at all, but working on a train isn't? I've heard from people who worked on trains what happens several times during their career. People jump in front of a train, and the on-board staff have to collect and cover the body parts. Plenty of them feel horrible, and some were in therapy for months until retiring early. But what they're ultimately doing is desirable, and they choose to do so - public transport workers make sure people have more mobility, prostitutes make sure people have a way of relieving their sexual urges in an orderly, professional way.

I guess the more you get from life, the higher the standards.

And now it is possible I'll expose myself to some hate but... prostitution is legal in Germany. They pay taxes and everything, they are only allowed to work in brothels, but said brothels are strictly regulated to not take advantage of the sex workers inside.

I don't see prostitution itself as bad as all the problems it brings, and the situation of vulnerarbility it leaves women. My thoughts are not clear yet though, so some debate would be welcome.

Really? You're thinking about getting a prostitute? For me, I'd much rather be a virgin than have sex with a promiscuous person.

And really? Does it truly matter if you're sexually inexperienced?

Apparently it might not as long as you have a clue about what you are doing. Don't expect a woman to tell you how to please her, she expects you to know.

If there is no other way to experience intimacy with a woman, hiring a prostitute isn't really that bad idea, it was a nice experience to me, and I know I would never have gotten such great experience and never will again, if it wasn't for prostitution. My experiences have been good so far, so I'm not regretting it. And if others don't approve, I don't see why I have to care.

And yet denying a woman employment because it doesn't fit into a particular mold of morality is fighting for equal rights.

I would think the male seeking sex from a prostitute is more psychologically damaged than the woman. Say prostitution is legal. Then women voluntarily choose to be a prostitute or not because that's how our modern economy works. Let's say she felt dirty for being a prostitute and it outweighed her happiness from her job. Then if we assume the woman is rational she would leave her job for a better one. And if she couldn't find a better job she could keep her job because she lacked the skills necessary to obtain a better one or go unemployed. So we see the woman has a lot of options in this voluntary act. On the other hand, the male is probably seeking a prostitute because A) he wants extra sex or B) he can't get sex elsewhere. If he chooses A) then we can conclude he wont be psychologically damaged because he has many options for sex. But the person who chooses B) has no other option. He is denied all other available options. He can't get sex from any other woman, so he comes to the prostitute psychologically and morally damaged from this predicament. So I believe on average males would be more damaged psychologically. The act of prostitution itself will uplift the man's spirits. In the end both parties win. Both achieve a net gain. The male receives sex and the woman a living. Who loses? Feminists and religious nut jobs.


And yes it would be very easy to enforce just like any other service.

Nice. I'll bet if you ask most hookers or sex trade "workers" (read: "slaves") if they like their jobs they'd say they hate it. These women are not having enjoyable sex like you seem to think they are - most of them hate it because they're being forced into it by bad people or bad situations.

...and not all feminists or religious people are "nut jobs". Really!

Huh... there is a good point made by BlueMax there. My views on prostitution are a consequence of a more fundamental belief; everyone should be able to do anything as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, or at least have their willing consent.. And if one party wants money, and the other wants sex, and they both make a contract where they willingly exchange one for another, there would be nothing wrong with that. If a woman goes into it because she is a victim of circumstance... that sure taints the issue. My argument in this case would be, there are cases where someone is in so much need that they resort to prostitution, and while it's awful that they must do something they don't like at all in order to get money, government protection at least makes it safer for those who would prostitute themselves whether it is illegal or not. Unemployment benefits should curb that to some extent though. And forced prostitution, that is just plain wrong, of course.

A friend has talked me about girls she knows that willingly prostitute themselves for money. They are known as "prepagos", and are high end escorts who are sexy, can be university students or even graduates, and may even have another job that already covers all their basic needs, but they choose prostitution as a way to make quick money. She told me the case of one of them who took a two-week vacation with her client at a coastal city, all expenses covered, and... even though it would be rather unsavory to me, I don't really see what is wrong with those specific kinds of arrangements besides going against some people's morality.

It's a complicated issue, for sure.

I agree completely with BlueMax and the reason most women who "voluntarily" get into prostitution is usually to feed..a drug habit...and they are too drugged out to enjoy anything and sex for pay is just that..they do it for the money not for enjoyment. They just want you to get what you paid for and go.

A woman enjoying sex wants you to stay and cuddle and will want to have sex more than once a "night" because they love you and they love the intimacy with you. I honestly would rather not have sex with a partner than have sex under the circumstances of prostitution...and we haven't even touched on the diseases, lice and so on you can get.

Its damaging to the women that do that service

In the IDEAL world, the prostitutes would be safe, for the most part they are not. they are exposed to violence and disease as for the psychological it takes a toll on a woman mind to only be the object of sexual desires. The reason your feminists get upset is they are trying to get women to be un-objectified by society and prostitution is the very IDEA of objectifying a woman, at is very core. Its using her to get yourself off, not working to develop a bond. You dont care who she is, just that she got you off. That is dehumanizing.

You don't have to be a religious nut to agree with that!

Don't we objectify everyone? I once read an essay about how we saw the waiter as an object who brought our food, the janitor as an object who cleaned everything, the cashier as an object being there to receive our money...

It ended up being an argument against prostitution, interestingly enough. But there are many forms of objectification, outside that one. Which makes me wonder now, under an objectification argument, why aren't strippers disallowed? (and I repeat myself, only under an objectification argument. There sure are differences also worth discussing when looking at it from other angles, but strippers against prostitutes looks right now for me as an interesting comparison.

Oh, and a lil reminder. Argumentation is argumentation, and shouldn't be taken personal . I just enjoy a good discussion, especially when my ideas are clear enough I can make some points, but unclear enough I need external input to make my thoughts on the issue clearer. For all I know I could end up being against prostitution

EDIT: Huh... I just remembered how theorizing works much better in an ideal world than in the real one, with all other kind of variables. Still, I like having a basic framework to organize more specific cases around,

Agreed, that is something i do like about arguments/discussions with others with AS and the like. Unless we are having a break down. We can usually keep our emotions in check and dont let it get personal.

In the end im going to say he shouldn't do it, but i wont judge him if he chooses to do it. Its his life, im not living it, i just raise the points to make sure he has thought things out before doing them

Heh, I've been against the idea of the OP hiring a prostitute since my first post

I got derailed by the issue of whether prostitution should be legal or not.

In summarizing the recent above posts, yes, currently prostitution is a catastrophe. That's because we have in place failed policy, the result of politicians not understanding basic economics.
Under the current frame of thought, we are going to have the ugliness of what we call prostitution today. You have women who have no skills to get a job besides illegal prostitution; nothing, besides providing sex. So we have this underground economy that is run by pimps and criminals. It is dangerous.
Currently, there are no regulations in place to help prevent transmission of STDS, no minimum wage or salary, and no benefits. And the most important thing is lack of competition. Competition is stronger than any government regulation and is the great equalizer.
Legalize prostitution and get rid of the ugliness of it. Help women who will use there body anyways, no matter what. I really don't see why prostitution couldn't be a respectable profession or at least something that isn't very controversial. Someday I hope to live in a society that wouldn't discriminate on how someone chooses to earn a living.
Give them decent work hours, give them competitive wages, bring in safety supplies, give them good working conditions....and the f*****g list goes on.

And we are forgetting the customer too. Let the customer feel safe and confident in his choice. Stop arguing about whether you think prostitution should be legalized or not based on women rights. It doesn't make sense. It's not a gender issue. The same thing applies for male prostitution.

It's fascinating to ponder that someday prostitutes could be given the same rights as other professions. Where businesses, entrepreneurs create jobs, happy customers, and most importantly safe and happy employees.

Don't count on government or democracy to get you there.