Social Value Tests: Women's ways of assessing men

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This is a thread that speaks about PUA. I say what I think about it and about the manipulation in general. Why I have to "respect" something I loathe? I'm not an hypocrite.

And I can't just walk away, this garbage is everywhere in our society.

I don't play those games....probably why I am a single girl. Its frustrating because people interpret my honesty as lies....as if it has some extra meaning. I think the only time I would lie about having a boyfriend is if I didn't like the guy and he did not get the picture after repeated attempts.

However, I dealt with a manipulative guy who seemed to think I was manipulative. I think he just got a mirror of what he projected outwards. Because I definitely do not know how to flirt or manipulate.

To flip that, if women would put out a lot easier then there wouldn't be a point to expending so much energy to try and get laid by "hotties". Therefore all that effort and energy could be dedicated to improving humanity.

Oh yes, we can't improve humanity because women are difficult to ****.

We are 7.04 billion of people in this planet, people has **** a lot.

nobody knew what this thread was about until I posted where it came from. And I say what i think about self entitled people who think they are above the rest (think, because usually theyre lower). You are a hypocrite because you do the exact same thing yet despise the other side. You know what you should go after, things like how wolfheart says he uses women as an experiment. That is messed up, treating people like lab rats to get some E-fame. PUA since it has no manipulation has nothing wrong in it. you're just hating on it for what it stands, a way for men to get what they want.

lol you make it sound as if it is the only thing they're here for.

well, in a darwinian principle yes.

PUA is like a coin...it has two sides. There is nothing wrong with getting what you want. It is the method you use to obtain what you want that matters. Some of the ideology in the PUA community is horrible. I knew a guy that thought you should treat a woman like a dog in order to gain respect. On the flip side, some of these PUA people teach men how to express their true personality, dress, gain friends, look for specific characteristics that line up with who they are, etc.

I'm aware of that but expecting women to succumb to Darwin when half of us fail at the Darwinian game is a bit crazy, no?

Well the OP of this thread always talks about the same, PUA always appears in his threads.

About PUA, you know absolutely all the guys who "play the game" so you are sure they are all good guys with good intentions, right?

Oh, and PUA IS an experiment. Those books have been written thanks to experimentation. "This works, that doesn't", "get laid with four chicks every week with our method".

About me thinking I'm above the rest and being in fact lower... I'm not against your opinion about me being worst than the men who game, you are in your right to think that. I have a lot of flaws, but this is not one of them. I like to be myself when I date, and I want men who date me being themselves too. It's a matter of respect. It's my opinion, you have another one, ok right.

The pua material is not promoting either of those ideas. As a person you will decide which one you like and listen to that. If you're someone that already has a dislike for women because of some reason (like theyve taken advantage of you in the past, or cause they ignore you, etc) then likely you wont go for the dress nice and gain friends approach. The material is not promoting the ideas, people with the ideas are joining the material.

This is like saying "guns don't promote war, it's people who enjoy war who are joining the guns".

Then the only to notice have been me and you.

Theres plenty of guys who dont play "the game" with good and bad intentions too. Hey atleast theyre still trying to get consensual sex instead of forced.

yes, but not done as an experiment for E-fame. Not done to have a group of worshipers. It started to simply get laid. The worshipers followed after that. In this case its just for the crowd.

I never said you're lower, I said that usually people in those frames of mind are. Ive not seen you around enough for that decision. That said, as me and others have mentioned theres more to PUA than being a fake. And until you learn all the sides of it I think you should keep that opinion to yourself, because its not a well informed one.

Because both are true. Guns (and pua) are tools. tools dont do things by themselves, they need someone to use them. And most people who own guns dont use them to kill everything that moves. Same for PUA, it isnt used by every person that does it as some discrete form of spreading hate. Theyre just tools. Its up to the user to determine how they are used.

The poster I replied to complained that all the men on that forum invested too much time into PUA as opposed to doing something to better humanity/the world. However, as Maslow's hierarchy suggests, humans tend to focus on primary needs (Survival and reproduction) before on secondary needs (esteem, etc) as these men are obviously not having a primary need (reproduction/sex) met, they will focus on that until it is fulfilled.

Therefore, the conclusion is that if you want them to do something more productive than PUA, get them laid as much as they want so that their primary need is met.

On a second note, I'm sick of being painted as the "bad guy" on this board because I put into clear writing what people are literally saying. She said she wished the men would spend more time on something productive, well they are only doing PUA because they cannot get laid acting how they normally do, if they could, they wouldn't need pua, thus would have the time they spend on it free to do something "more productive".

Conclusion: If women put out easier, then men would be less likely to feel the need for PUA.

I did not at any point say that sex is the purpose of existence for a woman, even though it is for both men and women from a Darwinian perspective. However, want a heroin addict to stop obsessing about heroin, give him or her heroin, want a guy who desperately wants to get laid to stop obsessing about getting laid, get him laid.

thats why i like your posts. They cut through the layers of BS to the core product while giving a logical and realistic answer/approach to things.

Also wolfy, you dont need to post pics of your chats. They prove nothing, heres literally the first and one of few women i messaged online.

No real work needed to get to that point. No sorcery, a profile that makes sense when reading and actually talks about myself instead of sounding like a old spice/dosXX commercial. Hell, I slowed the convo down on purpose because of my feelings at the time.

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