Women who find muscles attractive!

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Yeah, there's a balance between healthy (Brad Pitt, who is just perfect imo) and just being a monster. A roid monster wouldn't have had a survival advantage in primitive times (where speed and dexterity were valued too).


Also, the muscles women care about have changed a bit. Modern Western women really like ripped abs. It's better to have nice abs and moderate biceps (like Justin Bieber: http://perezhilton.com/2012-12-31-justi ... leg-tattoo) than to have huge biceps and a beer belly. It makes you look like a blue collar construction worker. And who wants to date someone like that?

The worst is skinny, white, AND poor muscle tone. The second worst look is the blue collar buff look with tons of tattoos and a beer belly.

Abs on a skinny guy are like tits on a fat chick: They don't count! Quite frankly, a skilled blue collar worker in the US, makes enough money to get by.

Most men who take their exercise seriously, do not aim to be like Mariusz Pudzianowski, but will probably aim for a 330 lb bench press with a fat level that's low without being too extreme (eg. 12% body fat). In fact, I think 95% of all men who starts exercising think that way, but then they see how much they'd have to sacrifice and settle for mediocrity and doing light workouts with a poor diet instead, just so they can say that they work out.

Abs like Justin Bieber's actually take some work to get. A guy who is just skinny has fat there just like everyone else. It's just a little bit of fat directly over bone. Actual abs don't come easily.



Until the job gets sent to China. Besides, it's not just about money. It's about being dirty, poorly-educated, badly dressed, and probably low IQ. Do any women here find these things attractive? I didn't think so.



It's likely that less weight and more reps would lead to a more attractive physique. It seems like a lot of hot guys do P90X-type workouts. Emphasizing whole body tone over doing one bench press. I'd say benching around 200 + at 12 reps is just great. Who cares how much weight you can do just one of?



Probably true. But 90% of so-called "buff" men have beer bellies. Balance is key.

I think Brad Pitt is plenty buff. Why not just aim to be like Brad Pitt? That's more muscle than 90% of the male population.

Gerald Butler, Hugh Jackman, Daniel Craig, Clive Owen, they are a very few examples of what's rated as "most sexy" today. The "pretty boys" you criticize are what teenagers preffer. As you are interested in teenagers, this is a problem for you, but women of your age preffer older men, not boys of 17, 18 years old. Don't say Justin Bieber is what's rated as most sexy today, because this only have sense if you are talking about very young girls. Do you really think a 25 year-old women have crushes on Bieber? Last time I red something about a "sex symbol" they were talking about Ryan Gosling and Henry Cavill.

One of my friends on her twenties feels attraction to Sean Bean and another one has a crush on Kenneth Branagh since "Much ado about Nothing". Sincerely, they would laugh if I ask them what they think about Justin Bieber.

About brains and brawns correlated because selective breeding, not true, because our past is full of starving and illiterate commoners that had other priorities when they had to choose their partner. They wanted a healthy and hard-working person. They lived in what it's called "the three estates of the realm". You could be very intelligent but if you were a commoner, you'd die as a commoner.

Wolfheart, something doesn't compute here. About 75% of your posts here are about how easy it is for you to get women, about 75% are about your muscles (there's some overlap). But here you are starting a thread about how women don't like muscular men.

Either way guys, don't mistake what the media likes for what actual real live women like. It's the same mistake women make when they talk about how men are only attracted to unhealthily skinny women, or only women with abnormally large breasts.

Certain looks go in and out of style. Right now a somewhat feminine look for men appears to be fashionable. But what is fashionable and what gives them ladyboners are not the same thing.

obviously something is wrong in that picture, no?

femenine look has been fashionable for the last 40 years. And at the same time the cut manly look has also been in. Find which one suits you better and stick to it.

You know what? I'm a straight girl and like dresses and feminine stuff as well as tomboy stuff, but I'd love to have some serious muscles. I used to be into bodybuilding a long, long time ago but never stayed with it long enough to get any kind of uber results.

If you want muscles like that, have you thought about getting into bodybuilding? You can do it at home with just a bench and weights, you don't have to go to a gym and pay a big membership fee. Although you will need a spotter.

I weight lift at the gym because I like to be healthy. I feel like I have more energy and stamina in my day-to-day life if I exercise, and I get over injuries and sickness quicker. Also, it feels really good right after you work out.

In High School I worked out 4 times a week in a weights class, weighed 170 lbs, and my max bench was 215 and max squat was 305 (that's just lifting it one time)

I gained several pounds in the past couple months, so I'd guess I'm somewhere between 180 and 185 right now. I just worked out at the gym today and I got pretty close to those numbers in the middle of a work out, so I'd guess that I'm as strong as I was as a senior in High School. I can run farther than before, however. I think it's kind of strange that when I gained those pounds (completely on accident), I also gained a lot of muscle. I guess my body just decided that it was time to bulk up. I remember for most of my life physically adult life, from when I was about 15 to 19.5, working out just a little pushed up my strength a lot up to the 190lb bench and 270lb squat range, and it was really really hard to get anything past that. Recently I've only been working out once a week and I did five reps of 185lb on bench and 285lb on squat at the end of the work out. Seems kind of strange to me to get this extra muscle for free.

Appearance-wise I've been told I look kind of skinny. People are usually surprised when I tell them my weight. After gaining those 15lbs and becoming as buff as I've ever been, I think I look the same before, except it looks like I gained 5lbs on my gut. I guess muscle is dense.

I don't really worry about what I look like though. I think it's kind of annoying when I see pretty girls at the gym because it makes me nervous, especially if I think they might like me. I want a girlfriend, but I don't like going out to pick one up I wouldn't care much for a girl who cared a lot about muscles anyway. But of course there's nothing wrong with appreciating a hot body, or expecting somebody to take care of himself.

Well anyway, that's my opinion on the subject. I know it doesn't really have anything to do with the stuff you guys were talking about. Only reason I'm really interested in this right now is that my body has done something different in the past couple months than it has been doing for the past 5 years.

I couldn't care less what society thinks because I am already alternative and heavily tattooed. Many of my tattoos have personal meaning to me that represent something strongly to me and it doesn't matter to me if elitist types are too skin deep to see beyond the surface. Why would I want to associate with someone who judges someone by fabric, class or labels? I'd rather love someone who is able to see me as an individual.

I have had more success with the opposite sex in the past year than I have in my whole life and I think my muscle gains had something to do with that. It might not neccessarily be muscles themselves but the confidence that it can project, a good body shows traits like devotion, discipline and hard work.

I keep hearing generalizations but again people who generalize or make steroetypical comments based on their narrow experiences only show ignorant they are.

I never started a thread about how women don't like muscular men, I started a thread about how the media has changed over the course of a century, similar to what deltafunction was saying in her posts. That may be because they are more mature in what they want. I'm talking about how the current culture is constantly changing.

Of course, there are women who likes muscles and there are women who don't like them but as Kurgan said, most younger girls follow the media or what their friends say, that's why in the past year I have mainly dated 25-30 year old girls because they have grown more to be themselves.

Justin Bieber hardly has any abdominals, for people with a naturally low body fat, it's easy to get abdominals but hard to gain muscle mass. For an endomorph, they might have it in reverse and struggle to get abdominals.

If you think I don't know what it takes to get extremely ripped abdominals, here's me ripped up last Summer and there are plenty of bodybuilders who know how to get extremely ripped up.





Firstly some women find the rugged, blue collar rough and ready man look attractive over the suited office type, my mother found my father attractive when he was a builder and used to walk around in overalls. Many older women find men like Vin Diesel and Hugh Jackman attractive and I could see them under a bonnet of a car or doing practical things far more than I could Justin Bieber doing something practical like building or fixing cars.

Secondly, intelligence doesn't just come from paperwork because if it did, many of the people on this forum wouldn't struggle with employment and dating. The plumber who charges £60 an hour or the tattoo artist who charges £100 an hour is going to make more if he has good people skills and plenty of clients. I know people with degrees that struggle to even find one job and builders who can get a job or work lined up just through a chat in the pub.



You try that but you won't get strong doing that, you might look ripped but you will be lean. You might have abs in the summer but when it comes time to put on clothing, you will look like a pole. I would much rather focus on having good traps, upper back and arms instead of focusing on abdominals.

Good point.

Muscle probably scares some females, whereas others will feel secure with such (muscle equaling strength in the eyes of many). Muscle is "in your face" and not androgynous for the most part (unlike personality differences, which people think they can change). Others will think it reflects the personality of the person (good or bad).

It'll be divided (like most things).

It's true that intelligence aka successful career aka big $$$ doesn't just come from paperwork. But that analogy you made about a plumber and tatoo artist being able to make a lot from having good people skills applies just as much to ''book smarts'' as it does to the trades. It's called networking......
Also the thing with 'trades' is that they may get paid a higher rate per hour than salaried positions, but that generally covers no benefits (healthcare, sick leave, annual leave etc), and also has to cover the cost of overheads, taxes, retirement fund, insurance etc etc.

anyway a bit off topic just wanted to point that out because i didn't think you were making a fair representation of the trades verses tertiary skills.

Healthcare is completely free in the United Kingdom, the government also provide housing benefit and social security for people who have no work or source of income.



That's what an unemployed couple in the UK with one child get, £310 pound a week which I suppose is the equivalent of $460 US Dollars.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -work.html You can read the full article on that page.

I live in Australia, and aside from the healthcare thing (which I was primarly referring to private healthcare, in Australia we have Government funded healthcare too but more wealthy people still have a preference for private insurance because the treatment is faster and often better), what you just posted as nothing to do with increasing the earning capacity for people who work in trades. We are talking about an employed trades person verses someone that works in tertiary industry. Unemployment benefits and other social security benefits has no bearing on the earning capacity of either. Except that trades people may get better tax breaks, because they earn less.