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03 Aug 2013, 12:59 pm

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Then, when they only find men who are as low quality as themselves, or men who are higher quality than themselves who only want them for quick sex, they tend to get bitter against all men.

This is from your OP. I think these circumstances cause bitterness on the entire gender spectrum. However, calling out people as "ugly" and "low quality" is so vague as to seem to be meaninglessly bitter.

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I don't think 99% of women have a bad opinion of me. My issues are atypical for this board. I'm basically like an NT beta with insomnia that is an off and on barrier. A lot of women can be understanding of Asperger's. I haven't met a single one who is understanding of my insomnia and fatigue. Basically, after a few or more dates, all they see is my chronically bad attitude and lack of interests and hobbies. Yes, having a demanding job (any job during normal business hours) does this.

I still don't like entitlement. I don't feel entitled for women to put up with me.

And you resent that some people are "losers" and not only feel entitled to a partner, but actually have one?
You are really creating something out of nothing here. If you don't want to have a partner, then stop thinking about it. The fact that you bring these topics up makes me think you do feel some bitterness.

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I think you need to get out there and get a sexual companion. You may find that you stop worrying about all this silliness.


Funny how getting "sexual companions" in the past didn't solve the silliness. Things just broke down later.

Well that's what happens. Not all relationships are forever, but it's fun to enjoy them at the time.


I get the exact same idea.



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03 Aug 2013, 5:51 pm

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Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


I work full time investigating large corporations.

In two weeks, I'm going back to law school full time. Trust me, I have plenty to do with my time. Add normal responsibilities to insomnia, and I don't have energy for much else.

Good luck! I hope to be a great mechanic someday, fixing cars, and customs if I ever open my own shop! Machines!! !!


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03 Aug 2013, 7:02 pm

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Then, when they only find men who are as low quality as themselves, or men who are higher quality than themselves who only want them for quick sex, they tend to get bitter against all men.


I resent humanity not a specific gender. Btw I get "out" plenty like the party I went to last night.

Humans suck. Entitlement is gross.


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Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


I work full time investigating large corporations.

In two weeks, I'm going back to law school full time. Trust me, I have plenty to do with my time. Add normal responsibilities to insomnia, and I don't have energy for much else.

Okay, so your postulating that ugly women (and I guess that would have to be defined by you in this argument, because ugly is in the eye of the beholder) end up with nice guys. I don't know what TM means other than trademark.
I don't care for people who exhibit an attitude of entitlement. I always wonder where it's coming from. But again, I don't see this as gender specific. With regard to people who have nothing to offer but expect a lot in return - stay away from them. They're toxic.
Some people want more than can be given. They put the burden of their fulfillment onto their partner. This is never fair. A partner is someone to share with, not someone to manage.



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03 Aug 2013, 10:10 pm

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Then, when they only find men who are as low quality as themselves, or men who are higher quality than themselves who only want them for quick sex, they tend to get bitter against all men.


I resent humanity not a specific gender. Btw I get "out" plenty like the party I went to last night.

Humans suck. Entitlement is gross.


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Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


I work full time investigating large corporations.

In two weeks, I'm going back to law school full time. Trust me, I have plenty to do with my time. Add normal responsibilities to insomnia, and I don't have energy for much else.

Okay, so your postulating that ugly women (and I guess that would have to be defined by you in this argument, because ugly is in the eye of the beholder) end up with nice guys. I don't know what TM means other than trademark.
I don't care for people who exhibit an attitude of entitlement. I always wonder where it's coming from. But again, I don't see this as gender specific. With regard to people who have nothing to offer but expect a lot in return - stay away from them. They're toxic.
Some people want more than can be given. They put the burden of their fulfillment onto their partner. This is never fair. A partner is someone to share with, not someone to manage.


Nice guy (tm) refers to a guy who believes he is entitled to sex simply because he is a self-described nice guy. He is usually unattractive and an MRA. He'll walk you to your car after spending the entire first date offending you with his libertarian politics and then try to kiss you goodbye and grab your boobs (I have heard several versions of this scenario).

I was postulating that there's a female equivalent to these losers among the fatty population. Women who are unattractive but feel entitled to traditional marriage with a hot rich guy. Which leads to often becoming one night stand material with drunks like me.



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04 Aug 2013, 6:33 am

They're going after you for something I originally wrote... does anyone else find this strange or is it just me? :lol:


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04 Aug 2013, 9:28 am

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Nice guy (tm) refers to a guy who believes he is entitled to sex simply because he is a self-described nice guy. He is usually unattractive and an MRA. He'll walk you to your car after spending the entire first date offending you with his libertarian politics and then try to kiss you goodbye and grab your boobs (I have heard several versions of this scenario).

I was postulating that there's a female equivalent to these losers among the fatty population. Women who are unattractive but feel entitled to traditional marriage with a hot rich guy. Which leads to often becoming one night stand material with drunks like me.

I think generally woman feel that sex is more of an emotional investment than most men do. The physicality is linked with a fondness for the man. Whereas, it seems men, in general, can satisfy themselves physically with no emotional need. I think this leads women to feel that once they have had sex they are in a more close relationship with the man than he does.
Also, I think what you are saying is that one has to accept what one can achieve in a relationship. And I have to say I agree with you. I would love to have a close bond with a male partner and live together as a couple, but I know it's not going to happen. I am lousy couple material.



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04 Aug 2013, 11:16 am

Get real, no one proclaims themselves as a Nice Guy (tm), not even the bad kind. Nice guy, just means a nice guy, you don't call someone nice if they grab your breast without permission.


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04 Aug 2013, 12:32 pm

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I think generally woman feel that sex is more of an emotional investment than most men do. The physicality is linked with a fondness for the man. Whereas, it seems men, in general, can satisfy themselves physically with no emotional need. I think this leads women to feel that once they have had sex they are in a more close relationship with the man than he does.

This is very true, sadly. But the woman still has to find the man (or reciprocal benefits) acceptably gratifying. Not many women "bed" someone who is physically "disgusting" to them. Those who do are usually benefitting in some fashion that they value. Thus the appearance of "business transaction".

I was fortunate to have met my wife. But even she has admitted that if I wasn't so attractive, she would have never bothered. This is from the most tolerant, persistent, loving human alive (imo). So my looks won me the partnership I needed, but her perseverance keeps everything together. Even as we struggle to find solutions to my personality quirks.


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04 Aug 2013, 8:03 pm

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I think generally woman feel that sex is more of an emotional investment than most men do. The physicality is linked with a fondness for the man. Whereas, it seems men, in general, can satisfy themselves physically with no emotional need. I think this leads women to feel that once they have had sex they are in a more close relationship with the man than he does.

This is very true, sadly. But the woman still has to find the man (or reciprocal benefits) acceptably gratifying. Not many women "bed" someone who is physically "disgusting" to them. Those who do are usually benefitting in some fashion that they value. Thus the appearance of "business transaction".

I hate it when sex becomes transactional. I do this for him, he does something for me. My relationships have always degenerated to this. I've never had the fortune of finding someone like you have. Although, I can't imagine living with someone as difficult as myself.



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05 Aug 2013, 9:06 am

Tyri0n wrote:
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Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


I work full time investigating large corporations.

In two weeks, I'm going back to law school full time. Trust me, I have plenty to do with my time. Add normal responsibilities to insomnia, and I don't have energy for much else.
Then what the hell is the point of all these threads? I count 4 on the front page. For someone who's main problem is that he's supposedly too tired to date, you sure muse on dating a lot. I think I can be forgiven for thinking you're bitter about something. :wink:



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05 Aug 2013, 9:29 am

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Trion, maybe you could get into something that keeps you from droning on. You need to occupy your time with fulfilling activities, so you can do something to fill the lack of your inborn desire to have kids. Fishing is a great way to fill up free time.


I work full time investigating large corporations.

In two weeks, I'm going back to law school full time. Trust me, I have plenty to do with my time. Add normal responsibilities to insomnia, and I don't have energy for much else.
Then what the hell is the point of all these threads? I count 4 on the front page. For someone who's main problem is that he's supposedly too tired to date, you sure muse on dating a lot. I think I can be forgiven for thinking you're bitter about something. :wink:


I am very bitter, just not against a specific gender. More against society generally. It doesn't even have much to do with dating. Ok, first I resent struggling my entire life without help and support and to the limited extent this is related to society's gender bias - also class bias and the fact that people make assumptions about me just because I am a super good-looking white male. I resent gender conformity privilege and how even tolerant people talk like how my lack of conformity in certain areas is a choice. It's not. I am probably a type of trans who refuses to admit it. But I have no idea.

So it has nothing to do with lack of getting laid. I have had sex with 18 different women. Although most of my adult life has been spent not caring enough to try. But this is the best forum to troll gender issues. I'm always being accused of bring both a mysogynist and a misandrist. So maybe I'm just a misanthrope.



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05 Aug 2013, 9:40 am

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I am very bitter, just not against a specific gender. More against society generally. It doesn't even have much to do with dating. Ok, first I resent struggling my entire life without help and support ...

I am having similar feelings lately. Just a sense of hopelessness - it's such a struggle to get through the day and other people just glide along enjoying themselves. It's hard not to be bitter.

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...and to the limited extent this is related to society's gender bias - also class bias and the fact that people make assumptions about me just because I am a super good-looking white male.

Really?! :D I've been told I'm not so bad myself. :wink:



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05 Aug 2013, 9:51 am

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I am very bitter, just not against a specific gender. More against society generally. It doesn't even have much to do with dating. Ok, first I resent struggling my entire life without help and support ...

I am having similar feelings lately. Just a sense of hopelessness - it's such a struggle to get through the day and other people just glide along enjoying themselves. It's hard not to be bitter.

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...and to the limited extent this is related to society's gender bias - also class bias and the fact that people make assumptions about me just because I am a super good-looking white male.

Really?! :D I've been told I'm not so bad myself. :wink:


It leads to a number of good first impressions that go downhill sooner or later. Social and occupationally. That's the best explanation I can find. I look like an upper middle class WASP frat boy. But can't act like one due to having sensory processing and sleep disorders and gender confusion.

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05 Aug 2013, 10:01 am

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It leads to a number of good first impressions that go downhill sooner or later. Social and occupationally. That's the best explanation I can find.

People often hold out expectations of me based on the way I look. I always feel like I'm not living up to what I could be. I end up disappointing people, or at least, it feels that way.



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05 Aug 2013, 10:15 am

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It leads to a number of good first impressions that go downhill sooner or later. Social and occupationally. That's the best explanation I can find.

People often hold out expectations of me based on the way I look. I always feel like I'm not living up to what I could be. I end up disappointing people, or at least, it feels that way.


So much the same here. I got accepted through a highly competitive interview process to Officer Candidate School and they were shocked to find out I couldn't do anything really.

Oh yeah, and I got 177 on the LSAT and 2410 on the SAT but only because I did dozens of practice tests multiple times and memorized every possible question combo. And did very little else for months. People assume I am smart because of this. Falsely.

I rarely tell people that I have an IQ of 102, with most areas one or two standard deviations below average.

I have horrible social skills and am ditzy and dumb, but most people assume the opposite. Which often leads to unpleasant surprises. This is one reason why I prefer to avoid dating and social contact as much as possible because it is too painful when people find out the truth.



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05 Aug 2013, 10:42 am

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I have horrible social skills and am ditzy and dumb, but most people assume the opposite. Which often leads to unpleasant surprises. This is one reason why I prefer to avoid dating and social contact as much as possible because it is too painful when people find out the truth.

Same here. I keep social contact to a minimum and say as little as possible.