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04 Mar 2014, 7:09 pm

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I am curious, what are people's opinions on the issue of attractiveness and open sexuality.

For example, if you came across this lady, would you think she is openly inviting sexual advances by the way she looks?

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I would actually think she was trying to sell me a car, coca cola or any number of consumer products. In the image she is seen represented as an object of desire and thereby associating the product ( in this case a car) with the same desire. The carefully manufactured, artificial and cosmetic way in which she has been dressed I believe are meant to reflect the styling of the car.
If I saw this women, dressed in this way she would receive no sexual advances from me her appearance appears in my opinion to be more evocative of socially conditioned greed and consumer lust.

Great thread Leaf!! !! !


Ok, dear literal aspie friend. What is the same woman, dressed the same way was in a coffee shop you go to and was just sitting on her own, looking bored?



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04 Mar 2014, 7:18 pm

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I like flirting. I don't mind wearing what I'd consider elegant feminine dress (not talking about TOWIE look or such, although it shouldn't change the point) when going for a night out with single female friends. It's nice to get a comment like "you're beautiful" from a charming man or turn a couple of heads.


The point is you are looking for attention and to be validated. So if "it" means "attention and validation".

You are asking for it.

I'm not justifying bad behaviour or harassment. Just pointing that out. :chin:


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04 Mar 2014, 7:25 pm

^^
I have seen many women dressed far more 'provocatively' having coffee or going about their day. I think if she was sitting their looking bored I would assume she was bored and drinking a coffee.
I am kinda jealous that it is socially acceptable ( to a degree ) for women to get all dressed up and muck around with make up n stuff. Whenever I see a women walking by wearing dramatic make up and interestingly dressed I always feel like I have just walked by an opera.


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04 Mar 2014, 8:24 pm

Most people don't normally dress like that, the main reason I see anyone dress that way is for business (studies show that guys are more speedy when attractive women are present).

I did go through a skinny jeans phase myself. I really didn't think I had much going for me other than looks, so trendy clothing was meant to maximize that feature. Did get hit on by a lot of guys. Did not want it from any of them, just some value as a human being.


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04 Mar 2014, 9:40 pm

It never occurred to me that someone would start a thread asking whether a person in a photo was asking to be raped, because no one would ever ask for that and the question would make no sense. I assumed it meant asking for attention, despite the obvious association of the phrase with rape. I know that there are people who believe that nonsense about wanting rape, but I just never expect to encounter them no matter how often I actually encounter them. I have to keep up some illusions, or I'd never leave the house.

If someone dresses like that, I wouldn't want to make her feel uncomfortable. In part because no one deserves to be made to feel uncomfortable about harmless actions like how they dress, and in part because I'd have a happier life if more people dressed that attractively. I might have a harder time suppressing any overt reaction to the way the motorcycle guy is dressed, but he also doesn't deserve to be made to feel uncomfortable.

Rape culture is a thing, but you can't ask aspies a vague question and then characterize their answers as being in response to a specific question. It doesn't make sense to do that to anyone, but especially aspies. Wanting to make a question or a response be about your hot-button issue is normal, but not really rational.



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05 Mar 2014, 3:33 am

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I know it's a photo shoot, duh.

How about this one, is he asking for it?

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HAHAHHAHAHAH



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05 Mar 2014, 3:36 am

And now I've noticed he's wearing heels.



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05 Mar 2014, 3:41 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
And now I've noticed he's wearing heels.


You love the s**t boo. You admitted previously you want to spank him. :shameonyou:


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05 Mar 2014, 6:21 am

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It never occurred to me that someone would start a thread asking whether a person in a photo was asking to be raped, because no one would ever ask for that and the question would make no sense. I assumed it meant asking for attention, despite the obvious association of the phrase with rape. I know that there are people who believe that nonsense about wanting rape, but I just never expect to encounter them no matter how often I actually encounter them. I have to keep up some illusions, or I'd never leave the house.

If someone dresses like that, I wouldn't want to make her feel uncomfortable. In part because no one deserves to be made to feel uncomfortable about harmless actions like how they dress, and in part because I'd have a happier life if more people dressed that attractively. I might have a harder time suppressing any overt reaction to the way the motorcycle guy is dressed, but he also doesn't deserve to be made to feel uncomfortable.

Rape culture is a thing, but you can't ask aspies a vague question and then characterize their answers as being in response to a specific question. It doesn't make sense to do that to anyone, but especially aspies. Wanting to make a question or a response be about your hot-button issue is normal, but not really rational.


Eh?

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, specially the bold bit.
Life is all about vagueness and aspies are all about not getting the fact that others are different to themselves. Ergo - confusion is inevitable.

On the other hand, aspies are just people too with probably the same prejudices in a lot of cases just as everyone else. So, this is what I was interested in. And the thread proved me right - look at just how many interpretations there are - as many as there are people.

Personally, it aggravates me to be seen differently and treated differently depending on how I am dressed, but it seems it's such an automatic response that most cannot even catch the moment before they do it to notice, let alone stop themselves and change course.

Anyway, there is no need for hostility. Sometimes, threads are about having a conversation for the sake of the experience, not for the sake of proving anyone's point.



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05 Mar 2014, 7:43 am

Men are literally humans, and just like every human, have the will to decide if they want their actual behavior be controlled by their instincts or their intellect.

Its nothing else like cake. The instinct says "Eat the cake." but our finally behavior towards the cake, depends on, if we decide that we want to give in to our instincts, or not. Its not about being a man or a woman, but simply about what desicions we do, and if we think an certain behavior of ourselves is tolerable or not.

Thoughts are fast and free, but the external behavior you finally show, ais in control of yourself. And if that behavior is sh***y, then its sh***y, and sh***y behavior is not literally for anyone.



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05 Mar 2014, 7:47 am

I didn't mean you specifically. How about: If people are asked a vague question, then it doesn't make sense for anyone to characterize their answers as being in response to a specific question? Does that make more sense?

When you said that you have absolutely no idea what I was talking about did you mean that you didn't understand any of the rest of what I said? Also, when you say there's no need for hostility, did you mean to suggest that my comment contained any hostility?



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05 Mar 2014, 9:02 am

LOL, I suppose this is an aspie board, but in all fairness, if we were capable of disambiguate communication, we wouldn't be here in the first place.

jrjones9933 wrote:
I didn't mean you specifically. How about: If people are asked a vague question, then it doesn't make sense for anyone to characterize their answers as being in response to a specific question? Does that make more sense?


Yes, it does make more sense generally speaking, it's a truism, but I am still not sure what (and whom) specifically you are referring to within this thread?

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When you said that you have absolutely no idea what I was talking about did you mean that you didn't understand any of the rest of what I said? Also, when you say there's no need for hostility, did you mean to suggest that my comment contained any hostility?


a) I understand the words and, you know, generically what is meant, but not specifically what prompted them.
b) I did think you were being slightly hostile, but if you were not, please feel free to correct me

It just sounds to me like you were chastising someone or something but it is not clear who or what.
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05 Mar 2014, 9:11 am

Schneekugel wrote:
Men are literally humans, and just like every human, have the will to decide if they want their actual behavior be controlled by their instincts or their intellect.

Its nothing else like cake. The instinct says "Eat the cake." but our finally behavior towards the cake, depends on, if we decide that we want to give in to our instincts, or not. Its not about being a man or a woman, but simply about what desicions we do, and if we think an certain behavior of ourselves is tolerable or not.

Thoughts are fast and free, but the external behavior you finally show, ais in control of yourself. And if that behavior is sh***y, then its sh***y, and sh***y behavior is not literally for anyone.


Yeah but look at how everyone is making fun of the guy posing with the motorcycle and nobody is offended by that, whereas if the same comments were made about a woman, a whole hell would break loose.

I don't know how the guy in the picture may feel, he may or may not be confident in his masculinity and white male privilege, but that's besides the point. Somehow, we assume his feelings and feelings of other men will not be hurt if we make fun of what he is wearing. And I cannot but wonder - how come?



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05 Mar 2014, 10:21 am

She is asking to look sexy. Mmmmhhmmmm. And what's wrong with a little hair? I came with lots, and extra fluid in my scrotum.



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05 Mar 2014, 11:34 am

For some reason I was thinking about this thread this morning, and it occurred to me that the interpretation of someone's intent for desiring sexual attention (or not) is generally not based strictly on how they dress. There's a lot of body language and facial expression involved, too (UH-OH!).

What makes the girl in the first photo look provocative in that photo is not her clothing, it's how she's wearing it. The fact that she is exposing the tops of her stockings and even part of her a$$, together with the pouty "come-hither" look on her face is what leaves me with the impression that she is VERY interested in receiving sexual attention.

For example, if she were wearing that outfit walking down the street, eyes forward, not exaggeratedly swinging her hips, I would NOT think she was looking for sexual attention. Same as if she was sitting in a cafe reading a book without her unmentionables showing.



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05 Mar 2014, 12:07 pm

Does anyone else see the male picture as a satirical reference to the slew of sexy women in advertising? After seeing issues of Hot Rod and various motorcycle magazines, I do and find it worth a chuckle.