[Males only please] Would you marry a feminist?

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She probably makes her man a coffee behind the doors after her man gives he gives her good cunnilingus, nothing wrong either way but in front of people she would act like she never does any favor to her man.

It depends on the way the question was asked too, a question "Do you think that it's woman's duty to do her man a cup of coffee on Sunday morning?" is totally different than "Would you make your man a cup of coffee on Sunday morning" - the latter is very misleading if it's used to judge a woman's view on feminism, maybe she does him coffee out of caring, maybe she does it because she wants something, maybe she does it as a reward for a good orgasm last night, maybe she does it for both of them because her man is terrible in making coffee, maybe she's OCD in hygiene and wouldn't entrust someone else in cooking/coffee (for instance, my sister often re-wash a dish that I didn't wash in front of her because she's so hygiene OCD), maybe her man is like Tim Allen and causes fires and explosions if ever gets near to the kitchen and hence wouldn't entrust him that task.

My dad was used to make breakfast and dinner (which are simple things here) but mom, after attempts from him, would never entrust him to make the lunch because well... we would end up eating something unrecognizable.

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And please enlighten me, which communist country that didn't end up as a nationalist military dictatorship?
There's something wrong in the very core of Communism, Marx didn't take into account the greedy nature of humans, once you give that much of absolute power to a leader/party, they wouldn't let it go, this is where all communist countries got stuck, none ever got past the phase 2 in achieving utopia.

The way I see it? Communism is a sure recipe to create dictatorship. Arab States saw it all.

And oh, tarantella64, just for you info: Successful career men are not less likely to be sexist and woman-haters than non-career men, in fact latest stats in the US showed that men who have sexist/traditional views of women earn and generate more income than egalitarian/liberal men. Just saying.

http://www.livescience.com/2876-men-tra ... money.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7625173.stm
http://jezebel.com/5053007/sexism-pays- ... -earn-more

Think about it, who's more likely to have a more liberal view on women, the wealthy Texan farm owner or the New York poor street artist? The grey-haired CEO who smokes cigars with other grey-haired CEO men in an all-men golf club or the young graphic designer who works with female peers? the chain owner who uses models to promote his business or the salesperson who works in one of his retail clothes shops and sells to female clients? The school owner or the teacher? The army senior officer or the male military nurse? The guys who major in engineering/finance or the guys who major in psychology and social work?

Anything above illiteracy, education/success have nothing to do with decreasing or increasing sexism, and status definitely isn't negatively correlated with sexism.

Well, here is another update, for those who can't see the results.

Yes 56% [ 22 ]
No 43% [ 17 ]
Total Votes : 39

We've had at least one male impersonator sneak in and vote "Yes," but I think the results are in a fairly expectable range.

The discussions and disagreements seem to revolve around two positions regarding feminism: 1) There is a formal written definition of "feminist" and those who fit that definition are feminists, without exception. While those who identify themselves are feminist, but are exceptional to the definition are not really feminists; 2) The practical definition of "feminism" is observed and derived from the functional culture of feminists, as it actually exists - that is, it's a working definition.

Position 1 excludes the so-called "radicals" as outliers, where position 2 significantly includes them, for practicality. Regarding the fundamentals of women's rights, just about everyone is in complete agreement. I think the term "feminist" has become tainted and ambiguous in regard to the population it represents.

I would think - hope - poll respondees kept in mind that, in all likelihood, the pro-gelding separatist political-lesbian feminists - all eleven of them - that stalk the political imagination of certain men wouldn't want to marry a man, whether or not he himself was down with feminism.

That is, the feminist they may or may not be marrying would be a feminist who would want to marry not only a man, but in particular the respondee, in the first place.

Is respondee the right word, or even a word? I'm too lazy to check.

ETA: Otherwise it smacks of those men who feel obliged to share with the world that they'd no longer (or still would) have sex with a particular woman in the public eye who has recently had the temerity to gain weight or visibly age.

I'd like to set up a similar poll for the women on the board, but I'm not sure if the question should be, would they marry (or LTR etc) a feminist, or someone who was anti-feminist.

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All the lesbian feminists I knew in real life were very cool with men (of course as friends), totally opposite to the stereotype Ive just learned about it today, It's the straight ones (the activists ones) who were often bitter, probably due to some past abusive relationship with some man.

Anyway, I don't think the respondees are that idiot, Hopper.

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Why exactley is this poll men only?

Men can be feminists too and in actual enlightened societies women can marry other women.

I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt as to the potential homophobia but his ignorance is widely apparent. Perhaps edit the question to be inclusive?

but if he changes the question he might get responses from women--and i think we can assume from the OP that he's not all that interested in responses from women.

As an example of an aggressive feminist lesbian, I was driven out of a job by an in-your-face lesbian and a small group of feminists. Due to my autism, I can't communicate using non-verbal means, such as tone-of-voice or facial expressions. She continually challenged me non-verbally and, from her prospective, I ignored her. She was a self-identified feminist, self-appointed women's issue cop, and a self-appointed gay issue cop. She informally cast me as sexist and anti-gay (never made a formal complaint, but talked about her feelings as if they were conclusive facts), which gave her a license to do all sorts of rotten things. And, she used that license liberally. Like so many other men, I have the personal experience of realizing that, as a matter of practicality, those aggressive feminists are not treated as radicals, they are treated as rightful advocates and heroes. Yes, a lot of people said what she was doing was unjustified and wrong, but she got away with it. My only crime was being an autistic man.

So you resent all feminists based on your experience with one feminist. Then how are you any different from those women who are bitter about men because of their past abusive experiences with men.

The poll question is quite ambiguous. I voted "yes", meaning that if I was to marry (which is highly unlikely) her being a feminist would not necessarily be a deal-breaker. But in practice I think I could only get along with a feminist who does not identify as such. That is, someone who believes in equality between men and women and practices it, but is not on a mission to fix the world.

On a side note, I'm not sure if the "males only please" applied only to the poll or to the entire thread, but I do wish WP had sub-forums where the board software allowed only one gender to post (one sub-forum for each gender). For threads like this it would cut out so much pointless clutter.

+1

You two are simply trying to minimize my personal experience down to nothing by casting it as unique and negligible. Plus, you are presuming a wider scope. Note that I said "As an example of an aggressive feminist lesbian". You are both responding as if I had said "As an example of a feminist."

Post edit: Actually, you are responding as if I had prefaced my post with "As an example of all feminists."

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If your to date or marry a feminist don't show her any weakness or cry or show signs of depression because she wont give you any sympathy. There are no roles your just there that's all there is, she doesn't need a man she might want a man but for how long? Just a mere paperweight entertainment nothing more nothing less that's all there is to it i think she would want a strong man mentally but also as independent as her for she can do everything for herself a man is merely company and entertainment. She will want to challenge you every day and for you to challenge her back.

You're missing my point. I was referring to Femen and their copycats. I didn't say that sunbathing topless should be illegal, but if any relative or friend of me did so in public, it would still embarass me.

As far as your second paragraph goes, not everyone who wears a hijab or lives with a religious husband need Femen's saving.

Rape is about individuals; promoting the idea that most men approve of rape and would indeed do so, does the cause no good.

what is/are "Femen"? also, who is promoting this, and how/where (citations)?