#yesallwomen
27 May 2014, 9:39 am
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
Is there's like an underground network of misogyny going around where people trade their hatred for women stories like contraband? Because I think I've only seen two or three real misogynistic post, and the guy that treated the women of the world like they were cattle has already been banned.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
Sure it's misogyny. "Women owe me sex and affection because I treat them nice and I'm such a gent" is misogynist (also part of Rodger's manifesto), as are all the "Women won't come near me because they're materialistic and I don't have a job/car/other excuse" threads. Then we've got all the threads in which the f**k- ability of various women is discussed, and the attacks on women posters here in which they're told they're saying XYZ because they're fat/ugly/other thing that's supposed to make a woman f****- able. Then there are all the threads in which "fat woman" is deemed unattractive (as if this is a factual thing) and undateable (how women manage in this country I'll never know; most women are fat /sarcasm). And not long ago we had a guy asking whether it was a problem that he'd had the desire to rape women, and while some on that thread said, "Man, get help", others, iirc, sort of shrugged and said, well, I've felt that way myself sometimes.
And how could I leave out that perennial, Women Have It Easier Because They Can Get Laid/Married/Etc. Whenever They Want. All of which is tied to a deeply misogynist notion that women have value because they have, and maybe just are, uteruses (apparently in these fantasies, infertile women and postmenopausal women simply don't exist).
Yeah, it's not a friendly environment here for women.
Line by line, please, MR20 and kraftiekortie, let's hear how the above shows "she doesn't like men". This should be good. Please keep in mind I'm archiving these posts so that when writers at mainstream sites want to know about misogyny in the autism community, I've got them on hand.
27 May 2014, 9:41 am
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
Is there's like an underground network of misogyny going around where people trade their hatred for women stories like contraband? Because I think I've only seen two or three real misogynistic post, and the guy that treated the women of the world like they were cattle has already been banned.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
Sure it's misogyny. "Women owe me sex and affection because I treat them nice and I'm such a gent" is misogynist (also part of Rodger's manifesto), as are all the "Women won't come near me because they're materialistic and I don't have a job/car/other excuse" threads. Then we've got all the threads in which the f**k- ability of various women is discussed, and the attacks on women posters here in which they're told they're saying XYZ because they're fat/ugly/other thing that's supposed to make a woman f****- able. Then there are all the threads in which "fat woman" is deemed unattractive (as if this is a factual thing) and undateable (how women manage in this country I'll never know; most women are fat /sarcasm). And not long ago we had a guy asking whether it was a problem that he'd had the desire to rape women, and while some on that thread said, "Man, get help", others, iirc, sort of shrugged and said, well, I've felt that way myself sometimes.
And how could I leave out that perennial, Women Have It Easier Because They Can Get Laid/Married/Etc. Whenever They Want. All of which is tied to a deeply misogynist notion that women have value because they have, and maybe just are, uteruses (apparently in these fantasies, infertile women and postmenopausal women simply don't exist).
Yeah, it's not a friendly environment here for women.
Sometimes people fantasize about rape, doesn't mean they want to commit it, just as sometimes people fantasize about robbing a bank, or fantasize as playing a gangster in some videogame -- none of it is real. Hell in some videogames I massacred entire settlements of people just so I can reap the monetary rewards, doesn't mean I want to actually kill entire settlements of people. So just because a few males admitted to that fantasy doesn't mean they hate women.
27 May 2014, 9:46 am
No irony here. I understand the history of men oppressing women.
I just sense that you'll assume a man is a certain way because he is a man--that you use that as your default impression before you even get to know the man.
However, my "sense" could be wrong; you are expressing a Feminist viewpoint based upon scholarship, and perhaps on personal experience. Maybe, in your personal life, you give people the benefit of the doubt.
Of course, Men should not use their default impressions of women before they get to know the woman.
I understand that you have certain viewpoints, and at least some of them are based upon the history of gender relations. You feel that women must be vigilant because, historically, men oppressed them--and that it could happen again to an historical extent.
I am a Jew, and I don't hold it against individual Germans that the Holocaust occurred in Germany.
By the way, I am all for moderators who clamp down on blatantly sexist remarks--on the part of both genders.
I definitely don't equate the sexist remarks within the L & D Forum with the ACTIONS of Elliott Rodgers. Of course, the possibility exists--but I tend to doubt it.
However, I guess a certain amount of vigilance must be practiced, based upon this potential.
It's not pleasant seeing a woman assume that all, or even most, men are a certain way.
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27 May 2014, 9:48 am
Klowglas wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
Is there's like an underground network of misogyny going around where people trade their hatred for women stories like contraband? Because I think I've only seen two or three real misogynistic post, and the guy that treated the women of the world like they were cattle has already been banned.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
Sure it's misogyny. "Women owe me sex and affection because I treat them nice and I'm such a gent" is misogynist (also part of Rodger's manifesto), as are all the "Women won't come near me because they're materialistic and I don't have a job/car/other excuse" threads. Then we've got all the threads in which the f**k- ability of various women is discussed, and the attacks on women posters here in which they're told they're saying XYZ because they're fat/ugly/other thing that's supposed to make a woman f****- able. Then there are all the threads in which "fat woman" is deemed unattractive (as if this is a factual thing) and undateable (how women manage in this country I'll never know; most women are fat /sarcasm). And not long ago we had a guy asking whether it was a problem that he'd had the desire to rape women, and while some on that thread said, "Man, get help", others, iirc, sort of shrugged and said, well, I've felt that way myself sometimes.
And how could I leave out that perennial, Women Have It Easier Because They Can Get Laid/Married/Etc. Whenever They Want. All of which is tied to a deeply misogynist notion that women have value because they have, and maybe just are, uteruses (apparently in these fantasies, infertile women and postmenopausal women simply don't exist).
Yeah, it's not a friendly environment here for women.
Sometimes people fantasize about rape, doesn't mean they want to commit it, just as sometimes people fantasize about robbing a bank, or fantasize as playing a gangster in some videogame -- none of it is real. Hell in some videogames I massacred entire settlements of people just so I can reap the monetary rewards, doesn't mean I want to actually kill entire settlements of people. So just because a few males admitted to that fantasy doesn't mean they hate women.
Okay. So...a bunch of white guys bitching about [guys of other race], or getting together to have a minstrel show, or having a meeting wherein they talk about their resentment of the [non-white] man and how they'd like to do something violent to him...none of this is racist or hateful unless they start publishing broadsheets saying "We hate men of [race X]" and going into gatherings where those men are present and talking about how much they hate them.
And it's not damaging at all, at all to congregate in these little groups and sit around saying and doing these things, and if a man of that race wanders in -- because after all the sign on the door does say "open to the public" -- and happens to take offense, why, that's his problem.
Is this what you're saying?
27 May 2014, 9:51 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
It's not pleasant seeing a woman assume that all, or even most, men are a certain way.
Well, then maybe you should stop imagining things based on what you "sense", rather than on what I've said. If you said that I don't like misogyny, you'd be right. If you want to call all men misogynists, I'd disagree. There surely are a lot of them, though.
The other thing you should maybe do is call out misogyny wherever and whenever you see it. That "Seducing girls" thread is a good place to start, and you might want to report it to Alex, too, since he's looking for examples of misogyny on the board. You can email him about it at [email protected]; I imagine you can pm him, too.
27 May 2014, 10:04 am
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
Is there's like an underground network of misogyny going around where people trade their hatred for women stories like contraband? Because I think I've only seen two or three real misogynistic post, and the guy that treated the women of the world like they were cattle has already been banned.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
Sure it's misogyny. "Women owe me sex and affection because I treat them nice and I'm such a gent" is misogynist (also part of Rodger's manifesto), as are all the "Women won't come near me because they're materialistic and I don't have a job/car/other excuse" threads. Then we've got all the threads in which the f**k- ability of various women is discussed, and the attacks on women posters here in which they're told they're saying XYZ because they're fat/ugly/other thing that's supposed to make a woman f****- able. Then there are all the threads in which "fat woman" is deemed unattractive (as if this is a factual thing) and undateable (how women manage in this country I'll never know; most women are fat /sarcasm). And not long ago we had a guy asking whether it was a problem that he'd had the desire to rape women, and while some on that thread said, "Man, get help", others, iirc, sort of shrugged and said, well, I've felt that way myself sometimes.
And how could I leave out that perennial, Women Have It Easier Because They Can Get Laid/Married/Etc. Whenever They Want. All of which is tied to a deeply misogynist notion that women have value because they have, and maybe just are, uteruses (apparently in these fantasies, infertile women and postmenopausal women simply don't exist).
Yeah, it's not a friendly environment here for women.
Sometimes people fantasize about rape, doesn't mean they want to commit it, just as sometimes people fantasize about robbing a bank, or fantasize as playing a gangster in some videogame -- none of it is real. Hell in some videogames I massacred entire settlements of people just so I can reap the monetary rewards, doesn't mean I want to actually kill entire settlements of people. So just because a few males admitted to that fantasy doesn't mean they hate women.
Okay. So...a bunch of white guys bitching about [guys of other race], or getting together to have a minstrel show, or having a meeting wherein they talk about their resentment of the [non-white] man and how they'd like to do something violent to him...none of this is racist or hateful unless they start publishing broadsheets saying "We hate men of [race X]" and going into gatherings where those men are present and talking about how much they hate them.
And it's not damaging at all, at all to congregate in these little groups and sit around saying and doing these things, and if a man of that race wanders in -- because after all the sign on the door does say "open to the public" -- and happens to take offense, why, that's his problem.
Is this what you're saying?
That's a lot different than "women won't date me because I'm too poor/ugly/etc", which doesn't involve hatred whatsoever, which is what those nice guy vs. jerk thread tend to be about, nice guys are expressing their powerlessness in those threads, expressing your powerlessness is not he same as having hatred for women.
"Women won't date me because they're all shallow prudes" -- is misogynistic because there is active hatred in that blanket statement, emphasis on the blame is on women.
"Women wont date me because I'm poor/ugly/etc" -- not hatred, there is no resentment expressed, blanket statement has no venom because the statement is focused on the self and not the world, (I.E women).
27 May 2014, 10:37 am
Klowglas wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
Is there's like an underground network of misogyny going around where people trade their hatred for women stories like contraband? Because I think I've only seen two or three real misogynistic post, and the guy that treated the women of the world like they were cattle has already been banned.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
I just don't see the giant hub of anti-women sentiment unless we're counting the frustrated males in the nice guy vs. jerks debates, which isn't misogyny at all.
Sure it's misogyny. "Women owe me sex and affection because I treat them nice and I'm such a gent" is misogynist (also part of Rodger's manifesto), as are all the "Women won't come near me because they're materialistic and I don't have a job/car/other excuse" threads. Then we've got all the threads in which the f**k- ability of various women is discussed, and the attacks on women posters here in which they're told they're saying XYZ because they're fat/ugly/other thing that's supposed to make a woman f****- able. Then there are all the threads in which "fat woman" is deemed unattractive (as if this is a factual thing) and undateable (how women manage in this country I'll never know; most women are fat /sarcasm). And not long ago we had a guy asking whether it was a problem that he'd had the desire to rape women, and while some on that thread said, "Man, get help", others, iirc, sort of shrugged and said, well, I've felt that way myself sometimes.
And how could I leave out that perennial, Women Have It Easier Because They Can Get Laid/Married/Etc. Whenever They Want. All of which is tied to a deeply misogynist notion that women have value because they have, and maybe just are, uteruses (apparently in these fantasies, infertile women and postmenopausal women simply don't exist).
Yeah, it's not a friendly environment here for women.
Sometimes people fantasize about rape, doesn't mean they want to commit it, just as sometimes people fantasize about robbing a bank, or fantasize as playing a gangster in some videogame -- none of it is real. Hell in some videogames I massacred entire settlements of people just so I can reap the monetary rewards, doesn't mean I want to actually kill entire settlements of people. So just because a few males admitted to that fantasy doesn't mean they hate women.
Okay. So...a bunch of white guys bitching about [guys of other race], or getting together to have a minstrel show, or having a meeting wherein they talk about their resentment of the [non-white] man and how they'd like to do something violent to him...none of this is racist or hateful unless they start publishing broadsheets saying "We hate men of [race X]" and going into gatherings where those men are present and talking about how much they hate them.
And it's not damaging at all, at all to congregate in these little groups and sit around saying and doing these things, and if a man of that race wanders in -- because after all the sign on the door does say "open to the public" -- and happens to take offense, why, that's his problem.
Is this what you're saying?
That's a lot different than "women won't date me because I'm too poor/ugly/etc", which doesn't involve hatred whatsoever, which is what those nice guy vs. jerk thread tend to be about, nice guys are expressing their powerlessness in those threads, expressing your powerlessness is not he same as having hatred for women.
"Women won't date me because they're all shallow prudes" -- is misogynistic because there is active hatred in that blanket statement, emphasis on the blame is on women.
"Women wont date me because I'm poor/ugly/etc" -- not hatred, there is no resentment expressed, blanket statement has no venom because the statement is focused on the self and not the world, (I.E women).
Meh, my response vanished. In brief: Nope, the "women won't date me because I'm _____" threads generally devolve into "women are materialistic/shallow" commiseration. Even if women wander into those threads and say, "uh, but wait, I'm married to a short autistic guy" or "my boyfriend's been unemployed for two years, and we're still together" or what have you, the pity train's got enough momentum that it just rolls right on by to more agreement that women (especially NT women!) are shallow and materialistic and don't recognize a good dude. The threads are also peppered with advice telling the sad good dude to do these surefire things chicks dig, all of which sound straight out of PUA-land.
The idea that women won't date a poor or ugly guy...I mean have you seen couples? And married people? What kind of assumptions are in there about women?
You do now and then get these nice posts written by very self-aware guys who say things akin to "I'm just a hard sell, and it sucks -- I come off weird, I can't really deal with spending a lot of time with someone else, I argue all the time over things people think are unimportant and bore everyone to death, I forget to bathe, and I just sort of want to be in front of my computer for 15 hours a day, I get why that's not attractive." There are also posts by people saying, "I'm all these things but thank god, I have this amazing husband or wife who loves me enough to tolerate all this though I'm sure it's no picnic sometimes." And that's a different story.
27 May 2014, 10:39 am
Anyway (and then I'd better get to work) -- beyond all the woman-blaming stuff, when you get talk that suggests violence against women is a normal thing to think about...I'm gonna take you back to that room with the guys in the white sheets talking about how nice it was when you could get away with a lynching, how they think about that sometimes, and fantasize about bringing it back. You don't see any parallel there?
27 May 2014, 1:23 pm
I can't spell misogyny without looking it up, but I know when I see it, and I see it a lot. In my opinion it has been on the rise for quite a while now.
If someone, outside of a voluntary relationship I was in, told me I somehow owed them sex or affection I would tell them to go *&%$ themselves.
27 May 2014, 6:46 pm
MR20 wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
MR20 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Why don't you like men?
Yeah, I'm trying to decide whether that's a serious question or KK's playing for ironic bathos.
Uh no you misunderstand, I was laughing because I agree with him. You have some serious hangups about men, and I'm guessing with however old you are, it's probably a bit too late for therapy.
How's your imaginary girlfriend treating you?
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27 May 2014, 6:52 pm
starvingartist wrote:
MindBlind wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
you're right, he wasn't your run of the mill sexist asshat--but your average run of the mill sexist asshat (here in wrongplanet and elsewhere in the interwebs as well as the rest of the world) does sound eerily like much of what he said in his video. think about that for a moment.
Think about this for a moment - the bodies weren't even cold before people jumped on this bandwagon.
It doesn't seem to matter what nuances there are in any idlssue, this wave of feminism seems content with the exploitation of suffering and I cannot align myself with that. And no, this hashtag slacktivism is not helping. As a women, I don't like that I'm getting lumped in with this cospiratorial, paranoid fantasy, where patriarchy is some kind of organised crime syndicate controlling the minds of young impressionable men, as if they can't make their own damn decisions. For all this wave of feminism wants to point fingers and blame people, where's the blame for the actual criminal? By blaming
"dudebros", we're actually absolving him of any responsibility. I find that abhorrent and I will not associate with any form of feminism that thinks that is okay.
And, no, your run of the mill sexist asshat does not talk about murdering people! I mean, fine - discuss how problematic this whole "dudebro culture" is, but blaming these idiots for this tragedy in any way is guilt by association and its pathetic. Same f***ing tactic the MRM's. I thought feminists were meant to be better than that.
who here is blaming "dudebros" for this shooting and not the shooter himself? please link the post where i or anyone said other men are more responsible for this crime than elliot rodger is.
This is sort of a general response to a few people, but its also a response to starvingartist.
Well this entire hashtag campaign seeks to blame his entitlement and murderous rage on the echo chamber of PUA forums (which The Daily Kos erroneously link with the MRM). Maybe you didn't say it, but believe me, there are people that I have met that believe that his beliefs and mindset is a normal occurance in certain male spaces, which isn't true at all. This about creating a narrative where all men must assume responsibility for the comfort and percieved wellbeing of women. Its the same crap as schroedingers rapist - guilt by association, pure and simple.
There is no doubt that he was a mysogynist and that there are those who might share similar sentiments. However, this tragedy has been hiijacked and derailed to make a commentary about all mysogyny and to assert that all women are afraid that they will meet this same fate. It's the utter arrogance of saying that not only is this a tragedy for those two women (not seven) that were killed, but a tragedy for all women everywhere. Its disturbing how it echoes the same hysteria over gun control or drugs. Now I am not a fan of drugs or guns, but I'm especially not a fan of exploiting tragedy to further your agenda, especially when you act like somehow YOU'RE the victim.
Its a propaganda campaign that seeks to erase the seven men that died simply to confirm a bias and wants to make the issue about his misogyny, when clearly there was much more to his motivations. And while some others on this forum have mentioned looking at the intersecting aspects if hid psyche, all I am seeing is some very impressive mental gymnastics to support your confirmation bias. Seriously, some of you guys should try for the olympics.
Now I know you, starvingartist, don't think that he is absolved of his actions entirely, but why start this campaign in he first place if you didn't place at least a little blame on society?
27 May 2014, 7:16 pm
tarantella64 wrote:
Klowglas wrote:
That's a lot different than "women won't date me because I'm too poor/ugly/etc", which doesn't involve hatred whatsoever, which is what those nice guy vs. jerk thread tend to be about, nice guys are expressing their powerlessness in those threads, expressing your powerlessness is not he same as having hatred for women.
"Women won't date me because they're all shallow prudes" -- is misogynistic because there is active hatred in that blanket statement, emphasis on the blame is on women.
"Women wont date me because I'm poor/ugly/etc" -- not hatred, there is no resentment expressed, blanket statement has no venom because the statement is focused on the self and not the world, (I.E women).
"Women won't date me because they're all shallow prudes" -- is misogynistic because there is active hatred in that blanket statement, emphasis on the blame is on women.
"Women wont date me because I'm poor/ugly/etc" -- not hatred, there is no resentment expressed, blanket statement has no venom because the statement is focused on the self and not the world, (I.E women).
Meh, my response vanished. In brief: Nope, the "women won't date me because I'm _____" threads generally devolve into "women are materialistic/shallow" commiseration. Even if women wander into those threads and say, "uh, but wait, I'm married to a short autistic guy" or "my boyfriend's been unemployed for two years, and we're still together" or what have you, the pity train's got enough momentum that it just rolls right on by to more agreement that women (especially NT women!) are shallow and materialistic and don't recognize a good dude. The threads are also peppered with advice telling the sad good dude to do these surefire things chicks dig, all of which sound straight out of PUA-land.
The idea that women won't date a poor or ugly guy...I mean have you seen couples? And married people? What kind of assumptions are in there about women?
You do now and then get these nice posts written by very self-aware guys who say things akin to "I'm just a hard sell, and it sucks -- I come off weird, I can't really deal with spending a lot of time with someone else, I argue all the time over things people think are unimportant and bore everyone to death, I forget to bathe, and I just sort of want to be in front of my computer for 15 hours a day, I get why that's not attractive." There are also posts by people saying, "I'm all these things but thank god, I have this amazing husband or wife who loves me enough to tolerate all this though I'm sure it's no picnic sometimes." And that's a different story.
Bold = exactly. The theorising simply is not borne out by the reality.
Also, Klowglass, 'women won't date me cos I'm poor/ugly' - what, was there a meeting? All women held a meeting and decided to not date Joey Josephson on account of his wonky nose? See, while this at first glance looks like a 'it's my fault' line, the actuality is it suggests and laments women collectively not giving Joey a chance cos he's ugly. That if he weren't ugly, he'd be well in. Cos women are shallow like that. Tarantella gave a better approach to the matter - one that could actually lead to some resolution, either to get to be ok with how you and things are, or to get a sense of what's wrong and how one might want to change.
And women do indeed date poor and ugly men. And it's not rare.
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27 May 2014, 7:21 pm
MindBlind wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
MindBlind wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
you're right, he wasn't your run of the mill sexist asshat--but your average run of the mill sexist asshat (here in wrongplanet and elsewhere in the interwebs as well as the rest of the world) does sound eerily like much of what he said in his video. think about that for a moment.
Think about this for a moment - the bodies weren't even cold before people jumped on this bandwagon.
It doesn't seem to matter what nuances there are in any idlssue, this wave of feminism seems content with the exploitation of suffering and I cannot align myself with that. And no, this hashtag slacktivism is not helping. As a women, I don't like that I'm getting lumped in with this cospiratorial, paranoid fantasy, where patriarchy is some kind of organised crime syndicate controlling the minds of young impressionable men, as if they can't make their own damn decisions. For all this wave of feminism wants to point fingers and blame people, where's the blame for the actual criminal? By blaming
"dudebros", we're actually absolving him of any responsibility. I find that abhorrent and I will not associate with any form of feminism that thinks that is okay.
And, no, your run of the mill sexist asshat does not talk about murdering people! I mean, fine - discuss how problematic this whole "dudebro culture" is, but blaming these idiots for this tragedy in any way is guilt by association and its pathetic. Same f***ing tactic the MRM's. I thought feminists were meant to be better than that.
who here is blaming "dudebros" for this shooting and not the shooter himself? please link the post where i or anyone said other men are more responsible for this crime than elliot rodger is.
This is sort of a general response to a few people, but its also a response to starvingartist.
Maybe you didn't say it
no, not "maybe". try again.
27 May 2014, 7:47 pm
it really amazes me how being a woman and "standing up" on such a forum and saying "hey guys, the way women are talked about here makes me really uncomfortable and makes me feel unsafe and unwelcome" draws a pile-on of dudes putting words in your mouth.
"you have a real problem with men, don't you--admit it, you hate all men!!"
"not all men are evil rapists, why are you saying all men are evil rapists?!?"
"stop telling me i'm a misogynist"
etc
it's so very freudian. in painfully, rather than humorously, ironic way.
edit* to add: my mistake, in this case the one feeding words into my mouth is female.
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