Consequences in "why to ask first"

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Dude, you're the one who first resulted to mocking just because you didn't like the arguments people were making. Grow up a little....just a little.

Yeah you're right, because people here don't make false accusations. Honestly this site is a joke. I find it quite amusing how when I go to another site no one has any issues.

Both of you, shake hands and get over it, this isn't a productive way to conduct yourselves.

Well, you know. It's very important to distract from the subject at hand by attempting to paint the whole subject of "ask first" as misandrist -- in any way possible, including by changing topics, pretending that the subject is "rape is about men victimising women", and therefore an effort to ignore men's suffering, and saying, HA!

We'll skip over the part where at least two people -- both women, one of them me -- already pointed out that both men *and* women should ask before doing any kind of sexual touching. Regardless, I'll add now, of whether the person they're wanting to touch is a man or a woman.

Well, I'm not really sure what false accusations you're referring to so I'm not really sure what to tell you about that. I can't really speak to the other sites you're referring to either because I don't know what sites you're talking about, so if there are no "issues" there (whatever "issues" you are referring to), then I'll just have to take your word for it. But if THIS site is such a joke then why do you come here?

This exactly. Also, stop talking long enough to open your ears and understand what this is all about.

There's nothing to get over, really. This isn't the first time on this site that I've been called names by other men just for agreeing with the women so I was over it long before he started typing. lol

Oh, and before history repeats itself: DISCLAIMER: Starvingartist and I are friends in real life! (thought I should put that out there before someone accuses me of secretly hiding the fact, or of having a "conflict of interest")

Presumably you can go to bars, clubs, and parties without making out with and attempting to have sex with drunk girls, though.

So you do believe a woman should lose her career if she kisses a man without permission or in a way that isn't mutually reciprocated.

AD, do you hear the amount of victim-blaming you're doing here? That's not an invitation to get defensive; it's an invitation to go back over what you've written, phrase by phrase. Look at how you're telling women they should circumscribe their lives in order to be safe, and look at how you're suggesting that if they do not do that, they're partially to blame for their own rapes.

Let's take just one bit of what you've said: never go running alone. Let's also juxtapose that with your insistence that everyone should be fit. Now let's look at some realities. I'm a single working mom, so I run where and when I can. Often I run at odd hours because that's the only time I can fit it in. Other people locally also have lives and our schedules don't often mesh. It's tough enough for most working adults of childrearing age to get any time for themselves for things like exercise, which is why I seldom see people running in groups. So let's not burden them with a pile of rules about buddy systems. If you do that, many fewer will get exercise.

While I run in generally safe areas, there's no guarantee. However, if I'm attacked (and I have been), I am not the person responsible for not attacking me, and I am not the guilty party if someone does attack me. Nor have I done anything foolish by running on a public sidewalk. That's what it's there for. It's not a "burly men only" sidewalk. The guilt and blame rest squarely on the attacker.

You might say: Run at a gym, then. Apart from depriving the woman of the pleasure of fresh air, you've now made fitness much more expensive. A tax, in other words, on being a woman. It also doesn't work. As it happens, when I was attacked, I was attacked in a gym parking lot.

Let's also take a look at this bit about choosing people carefully. You must know that most violence against women, including rape, is committed by family members or other people close to them. Women do not in general marry thinking, "Gosh, he looks violent and rapey, I kinda dig that." They're surprised and horrified when it turns out that the guy they'd trusted -- the guy everyone else also thought was a good guy -- is violent and vicious behind closed doors. So please let us not start blaming women for "picking the wrong men". Again, the blame lies with the attacker, not the woman.

Gotta go do some work, carry on.

well,the guys that usually get themselves in legal trouble are often sleeping,making
out with drunk girls.Why do guys risk possible jail time or legal trouble
by hooking up with drunk girls.

If it were a woman in the same position the sciwriting guy was in? Or if she's doing the sort of thing Temkin was, with the same sort of response Temkin gave? Of course. You sexually assault and harass, you're done. (Temkin, as I said, could've had a pass had he owned up and taken responsibility because of his youth and when it happened, but he didn't wanna.)

If it were, say, the editor of Scientific American (a woman) meeting writers and steering the conversation towards wanting to bed them? Goodbye, career over, pack up and go, do not come near conferences, have a nice life. No question at all.

I think I'm going to start counting the number of times a guy tries to show up with "you're unfair because you don't apply this to women, MISANDRY" bit, somehow failing to notice all the many, many times every woman here has said "of course this applies to women too."

So let's start counting now: One.

Guys should just go after ''clean''ladies. Ladies who party,
get drunk,are crazy are just bad news.

Conservative and christian ladies,and yes.....Morally good
non-christian ladies are who men should date.

if more men lived a healthy conservative lifestyle
and date good girls,then less men would be having
legal trouble.

Oh God, I just can't read this crap anymore. lol Time to stop following this thread I think...

quelle bonne idée--moi aussi.