The male body stereotypes?

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That's the weirdest penis talk I have read in a while.

i'm sorry i didn't mean to condescend.

playing guitar is also good for playing in a band.

mr. hands died you know

Hey man, I agree with you.

I think it's complete bullsh*t to only be attracted to a man's muscles if he developed them from a non-bodybuilding/powerlifting sport or hard labor.

The vast majority of men can't develop much muscle from their sport, maybe with lottery genetics they can.

They can improve their skill at the sport, and some natural strength and hypertrophy gains will come of course, but most actual athletes have to spend at least some time strength training and weightlifting.

Even soccer players, tennis players and swimmers.

There are photos of Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps hitting the weights at the gym.

Also, just because a man does a hard labor job, doesn't mean he'll necessarily have a muscular looking body, because while there is somewhat of a connection between visual hypertrophy and strength levels, it's still possible to be thin but have high functional strength, or have well developed muscle due to hypertrophy but only moderate functional strength.

Doesn't mean the hard labor guy is weak, mind you, he'd have high functional strength, but I have seen plenty of men who can lift far heavier and work much harder than me for longer despite having thinner and smaller looking muscles than me.

Weightlifting is the most efficient, effective, and reliable method to have a muscular body. Period.

Almost all athletes need to weight-train, unless they're a long-distance runner, lower division swimmer/tennis player or high school athlete perhaps.

^ Great points, and very well articulated.

Most men I see in my area, working hard labour jobs rarely have much mass. They also tend to have a beer gut, but that is of course unrelated to strength and this discussion in general.

Another thing: Someone mentioned something about bodybuilding resulting in uneven muscle development, and that is just untrue. If anything, compound lifts will give you the most even mass AND strength development compared to any other activity.

I think you misunderstood me; I specifically said that UNLESS you focus on the large, compund lifts and INSTEAD opt for what I referred to "obssessive sculpting", by which I meant super-targeted excersises like the bicep curl, you may well wind up looking disproportional.

They want us to have a six-packs from work and not from gym, tsk tsk...some women and their unrealistic standards.....

So much of objectification.

It sucks. I didn't realise before now that I got my six pack the "wrong way". Might aswell get fat now, and get abs again by playing badminton.

They probably think Hugh Jackman got his six packs from acting.... tsk tsk...

I actually got mine from a random mix of physical labor & hooliganry. Girls get 6 packs from bikes & skis too.

Because they already know how to do it...its the general public that needs more educating about it for the most part. I learned about taking statistics in college, but I am sure the info is out there on the internet or in books anyone could view.

90% of women at one college, isn't the same as 90% of women in general for instance.

Perhaps we should focus on aesthetic subtleties then.

it is a representative sample of the most educated girls.

And most people go to college, so it is not a bad representation of a whole population, sweetleaf. Stats are done based on samples, you know.

Too much fat around the midsection can look like a poor health indicator for both men and women, as it can negatively affect most of your organs and cause heart problems. A six-pack isn't necessarily needed to be attractive with/without clothing, a flat stomach and trim body is just as good.

Also, a good diet alone will achieve a slim body faster than exercise with a poor/excessive diet. If you are very overweight, then you can't expect to do as much as someone that's already in decent health does, so results would vary, even if you are doing the same exercise.

Men don't really need to strive for a fitness-model body, and achieving a fitness-model body doesn't guarantee making you attractive from the shoulders-up (face/profile). A lot of women that I know don't really sensationalise abs or large forearms. A man that has to workout for hours in a day, just to maintain and supplement his physique, would take too much time away from them.

For most people, if you have a flat stomach you are already pretty damn close to having visible abs. Genetics play a part in this aswell though. I know for myself, that from flat stomach to good ab definition only takes 2-4 weeks of dieting.

I find bike riding is really effective for a nice all-over tone, and it's not boring to do and gets me to places faster.