Why are women so desperate for men?

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Men who abuse usually give off signs. If they don't the first time they let their temper control them it's a warning. Women don't heed the warning and stay till it worsens. Avoiding men/partners because of an abuser seems counter productive. Men are not the enemy we are the sheep that women pick from the flock what they want.

What disgusts me is people ignore the issue with it all. And that is your level of skill with women determines sucess. It makes dating women aka human beings a game. It says if you get smooth, get bulk, learn how make women feel good instead of like you are an honest guy with low experience they will want you.

Talking to a girl shouldn't be about how good you are at it to get a girlfriend/wife. Who you are character wise and maybe some looks should matter. But people value things that don't matter and that's why people cheat when they grow bored or looks fade. Because a crap ton of people base relationships off the feels.

I for one am quite aware of why women won't date me. I'm not the ideal man, I'm what women call a loser. I work min wage, ammon disability, have no car, and rent s place with family, as well as I'm not career oriented or have ambitions. I do have loyalty, empathy, I genuinely care about others a lot and try to help people. I hold doors open for people, I do the right thing even when it's hurts me to do so, because it's the right thing to do. I'm non violent except in defense of life(this applies to animals and insects) I'm not a real man. I dont know what I am then. But many women have made it quit clear to me I'm worthless trash not worth any woman's love or rather fake love. Real love doesn't care about money or status or objects, real love is based off persons personality and how they make you smile or laugh by just saying something. It's not about what car they drive or where they live. I feel sorry for them a bit one day like a lot of people it crash and their relationship will end(those that get one) there's a lot on dating sites complaining about the lack of said real men and feeling alone. Meh. There's thousands and thousands of said women here. Very few of those real men, simply supply and demand explains why so many of those women are alone, yet every girl I've met in my area who doesn't care about those things is in a relationship.


Not his or my job, just like It's not my duty to go educate men who think it's ok to rape women. Nor do I expect you to go talk to meterialist women and get them to change their ways cause their giving other women a bad name. Sure it'd be great but I don't expect it'll ever happen. And believe me I think western society needs to change fast and get away from being meterialist. Our birth rates are super low. Reaching s negative decline which there's no coming back from. Some countries and Europe have already reached it in few hundred years this country's won't exist cause their population will all be dead.sad.

Actually I don't think guys can really understand that fear. Thankfully I've never been in an abusive relationship, but my parents were and I am scred of ending up like that.

So recent chap I liked. Seems like a polite lovely guy. Got on quite well with him. Wasn't till I got to know him a bit better and saw the kind of things he wrote online that i started to get scared.

This is someone you'd probably relate to. A shy guy trying his best. But regardless of that. Fear set in. I don't think he would be abusive. But still I started to not feel comfortable with him.

Quiet types and non wolves can be scary too.

No abusive men can be very charming at first. They have a knack of disarming their victim and gas lighting. No victim blaming please. Read up about it before you post on it please young silverbotsismax.

You appeared to be address the women on this forum who struggle with relationships rather than women in general.

I don't know why I don't attract a large number of men, though I would not mind a helpful mate. There was another side to the coin of the concept of a woman having a man to take care of her, an that was, a man to have a woman to take care of him. This exchange of taking care of another person was typically in the context of a traditional marriage where the man would meet the financial obligations and a woman would meet the domestic obligation. My great grandmother was a professional home maker. She ran her house like a butler would run an estate, and she talked about men having women to take care of them as much as she talked about women having men to take care of them. It was not a situation of helplessness in her mind, but of a fair exchange of resources. I think the feminists of past decades who declared they did not need men to take care of them were really just women who did not want to be housewives, or were lesbians. I do not believe a man or woman who isn't cut out for marriage should feel forced by society to marry, so I believe feminism did these men and women a favor in so far as that goes. But I also think women who declare they don't need men merely to appear strong are misguided. Though I don't run into many of these. It seems most people do want to be with someone and some people have a deep sense of need to be with someone.

This. Sociopaths are the worst at this; they know exactly how to be a prince charming, convince you to isolate yourself from your friends and family, and once you're both smitten and trapped only then do they reveal their true colours. Then they turn everyone else against you because "he could never do those things, he's so nice" and blah blah blah.

Because this.... ilk relates the need for men to the old gender roles, aka the financial need, probably that's why they attack women saying "I want a boyfriend" etc.

But when working women like slw and hurtloam say they want or need a man, it's totally from a human perspective (ie. emotional, sexual...etc) - it's totally different.

Honestly, guys, I think I'm starting to figure kara out.

In my experience, someone like kara is often a victim of abuse. I don't know if that's really the case, but I strongly suspect it. There are those mean, militant feminists that do it for the attention, those who do it for the same reason we have our own special interests, those who are just looking for a crowd to fit in with, and then the usual run-of-the-mill bullies who just enjoy hurting men.

But unless you know someone really well, you can never rule out abuse. Girls who aren't abuse victims themselves will take the more intellectual route and try to "school" you in what feminism is "really" about. Unfortunately, feminism as it first started out has largely accomplished its goals and this is increasingly irrelevant. The issues aren't there like they used to be, which leaves human trafficking, gender identity, and internal squabbles like whether it's fair for m2f trans to compete in women's sporting events and so forth.

Let's face it, we live in a post-feminist society where feminist militant activism is being gobbled up by new and emerging demographics.

Which leaves women identifying as feminists--why, exactly? I would suggest she's a sociopath, except I'm not used to sociopaths being that emotionally involved. Not like THAT, I mean. No, I'm thinking she just doesn't have anything better to do, or she's a victim of abuse herself out to punish us for what a guy or a string of guys did to her.

Look at how she says she's given up on dating. Even the loneliest among us are still holding out for at least the possibility.

What did he do to you, kara?

The armchair psychology is strong in this thread.

Yup.

I happen to have a significant background in psychology as part of my undergrad degree program. My wife actually does have a degree in psychology. And I watch Dr. Phil.

But that's not really it. I've dated an abuse victim. Two, actually. And we've seen a lot of hardboiled feminazis in here to know they come from all stripes. Yes, I said, "feminazi." Nominally feminist as opposed to your more rational types that I prefer butting heads with, the ones who actually have something positive to contribute and the ones you can actually learn from. Once you figure out the new bulldog feminazi in town is only irrationally acting out to cover some deep-seated, legitimate inner turmoil, I think you have to change the dialogue. This is no longer a rabid dog bereft of a mind or humanity. This is an actual person begging us to ask questions and listen.

All I'm doing is trying to figure out which one I'm dealing with.

Interesting that you all got responded to but the one time I point out someone's lack of usefulness they cannot answer what their purpose is in this forum.

The very same reason a banned user who's name started with a 'W', and rhymed with 'Silverhorse' use to post here - An N.T. Feminazi woman in her mid-30s to mid-40s targeting emotionally vulnerable lonely men venting about how difficult dating has been for them, generalizing all of these young men as sexist misogynists and telling them with their current attitude no woman will ever love them and tey will die a virgin.

Cyberbullying Autistics on a support website at its finest.

I wouldn't be surprised if karathraceawhosit (aka Katy) and Silverhorse are actually the same person.

Just check old "Silverhorses" last few posts (unless they were deleted).

Feminism is completely ret*d, wether moderate or extreme. To view women as victims in every possible context in this world, one has to be extremely unintelligent.

I have never, ever heard a single good arguement about anything come from a feminist, they tend to just project their feelings on to the world.

Ur gonna have to provide more context.

is it W+Silverhorse or W+ilverhorse.

I tried to find both and couldn't.