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26 Oct 2017, 3:02 pm

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If anything, the most marginalized group today, would be young white working class males, they have the highest rates of suicide of all groups.


Because they're not allowed to express their 'femininity' ie discuss their feelings because girls do that and it's not manly. You just scored an own goal


No I didn't. It has absolutely nothing to do with that, it's quite the opposite.


Interesting. I've seen it written about a lot. Men feeling unable to talk to friends about how they're feeling. It's given as one of the big reasons for male suicide.

This guy for example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11533147/Men-need-to-open-up-about-depression-not-man-up-and-keep-quiet.html


I've seen it written too, but when feminists(not pointing at this article) touch this topic, it's obvious that they don't understand the issue or men in general at all.

The solution is not that men should be more feminine. That's what's been going on for the past 50 years, and it doesn't work, it actually does the oppostie.

In my humble opinion the root cause of male suicide, is that the majority of my generation have grown up without their fathers, and we lack strong bonds with other males. We don't need to open up to women, they don't understand us anyway, we need to talk to other men. But we can't anymore, because there are no "male spaces" left in our society, and that's what ruins the bond between men. We try to make everything 50/50 male/female, and we make it PC and unthreatening so that the females can tolerate being there. But that hurts men.

We even demonize typical male emotion, like anger. Men often express themselves through anger, and we tell them that it's wrong. But that's just BS. Being sad is not in any way morally superior to being angry. Both are outlets, both are ways of coping.



Oh I took it as a given that men would want to open up to each other and that it would be good for them to do so.

My friends husbands play soccer together. I don't know what they talk about, but they have that time together just the guys. Men need men. It's sad some men are feeling estranged from each other.

I know men and women talk to each other differently. Heres an example



But there's a line. If I stub my toe I'm going to shout. If I have a bad day at work I'll feel angry. However, there's showing respect to others and that's not bad. There's not threatening people and that's not bad either.

We don't need to have all or nothing. We can express true emotions without hurting others or making them feel worthless.

You don't come over as the aggressive type anyway.



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26 Oct 2017, 3:33 pm

@hurtloam: I see, but there was just a subtle distinction that was important to me which was: 'men need to talk to eachother as men', instead of 'men need to talk to eachother as women'.

Men and women communicate very differently(duh). If I was angry and ranting about something to my male friend, he would either just let me get it out of my system, enter problem solving mode with me, or make me laugh about it.
It's very likely a woman would tell me "don't be angry" or "there's no reason to be angry about it" which would result in me getting even more angry... lol

That's true, I'm actually not evil you know. I don't just throw people to the crocodiles unecessarily like boo and magz....



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26 Oct 2017, 3:38 pm

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My problem is that I talk like Barrack Obama and Donald Trump with people. Each time something goes out of my mouth there are two possible meanings to it instead of one. I feel women focus less on what is directed and more on what is implied while men focus on what is more directed and less implied. Aspergers focuses more on honesty, so aspie men speak literally and have no idea what the figurtive implication is to some people. Aspies try hard to tell what they are literally thinking to people in as clear a way as possible, but what they don't realize is that they can sound snide and condscending unintentionally when they do. Whoever made rambling, ranting, and raving look bad is why aspies have trouble in real world, because we have a hard time expressing ourselves in as few words as we can like NTs can.


Completely agree with your distinction there. I get very frustrated when people don't take what I say at face value.



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26 Oct 2017, 3:58 pm

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My friends husbands play soccer together. I don't know what they talk about, but they have that time together just the guys. Men need men. It's sad some men are feeling estranged from each other.


Basically they talk about sports, cars and gadgets .... much more than talking about women btw - surprise!
Actually I notice married men never talk badly about their wives btw in front of other men.

I bet you women do complain badly about your husbands tho. right? Like how he forgot things or bought unnessary things from the supermarket... I know, because I heard them all the time in office.

So often the single friends tease if they catch the married friend glancing at some hottie and be like "O boy, you're a dead man if we tell your lady"



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26 Oct 2017, 5:28 pm

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Is it really hard to believe single women left are the ones with high standards few men can meet. They wouldn’t be single if not. But they post it very clearly. Via have your life together, Be s real man, or listing out the car, job, home.

Not to say I haven’t been rejected for my looks or political beliefs also, but mostly cause my job. I had an aspie lady push me into chatting on cam only to immediately stop and ghost me after she asked my job and I told her. So no not even aspie women are immune to caring about guys status in life. Also some aspie women can be push and manipulative. That’s what I found out from that.


No no no no. It’s not just over picky and broken women who are single. Wrong. Immature and unintelligent comment.

Some may have just come out of a relationship, some might not actually be looking, some are content on their own.

People don’t date someone in their 20s, then it’s crusing for the rest of their life. A lot of relationships end in tatters at all ages. 20s, 30s, 40s etc.

If you have been on 1500 dates and you haven’t met anyone who is completely fair and not rude, that isn’t normal.

I believe a lot of women and men at least want an equal intelligence wise, and someone who wants to achieve something in life. It’s not unreasonable. But there are a lot of women who date unemployed and poor people. Like I said, it’s not just good looking people getting married and breeding.

What do you actually do? I mean people aren’t normally repulsed when someone tells them their job. That isn’t normal.

For reference, what does that aspie woman do?


Most women here seem to break up and be in another relationship in a week. They consider 3 weeks out of a relationship a really long time lol they have no idea what a long time is.

I didn’t say Anything about broken women. Why do you consider some broken? I wouldn’t believe someone’s broken.

I said I been rejected that many times. I’ve only had maybe 5 dates in my life. Rejection is being refused a date with someone.

But as I’ve said I’ve been rejected by unemployed women living off their parents after failing to get a job after college. Why did thy reject me? I don’t habe my life together. More together then theirs is but that doesn’t matter. I only imagine unemployed women are seeking a man to save them from their being poor.


She asked what my job was within about 10 mins of the chat. I said I work seasonally at the local college. She then needed th video chat and blocked me.

Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy like aspie guys we all don’t usually have the social understandings to do that and tend be more quiet and timid. Not all though. So i dont know if she suffered from anxiety like most aspies if she did she wasn’t very understanding of another aspies anxiety. She kept threatening that if I didn’t video chat with her right then she’d stop talking to me despite me expressing it makes me extremely anxious to video chat. I don’t video chat with anyone. It takes me weeks or months to voice chat people. She showed me not all aspies are the same. This was before I joined wrong planet. So she was the first other aspie and first female aspie I ever meet.


That aspie woman sounds like a psycho. She doesn’t represent many people, aspie or NT. You still didn’t say what your job is. I don’t get why it’s such an issue.



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26 Oct 2017, 5:33 pm

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Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy


Citation please. You can't expect to be able to make an assertion like this without providing evidence to back it up other than the anecdotal evidence of the single aspie woman you talked to on a dating site.



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26 Oct 2017, 5:35 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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Is it really hard to believe single women left are the ones with high standards few men can meet. They wouldn’t be single if not. But they post it very clearly. Via have your life together, Be s real man, or listing out the car, job, home.

Not to say I haven’t been rejected for my looks or political beliefs also, but mostly cause my job. I had an aspie lady push me into chatting on cam only to immediately stop and ghost me after she asked my job and I told her. So no not even aspie women are immune to caring about guys status in life. Also some aspie women can be push and manipulative. That’s what I found out from that.


No no no no. It’s not just over picky and broken women who are single. Wrong. Immature and unintelligent comment.

Some may have just come out of a relationship, some might not actually be looking, some are content on their own.

People don’t date someone in their 20s, then it’s crusing for the rest of their life. A lot of relationships end in tatters at all ages. 20s, 30s, 40s etc.

If you have been on 1500 dates and you haven’t met anyone who is completely fair and not rude, that isn’t normal.

I believe a lot of women and men at least want an equal intelligence wise, and someone who wants to achieve something in life. It’s not unreasonable. But there are a lot of women who date unemployed and poor people. Like I said, it’s not just good looking people getting married and breeding.

What do you actually do? I mean people aren’t normally repulsed when someone tells them their job. That isn’t normal.

For reference, what does that aspie woman do?


Most women here seem to break up and be in another relationship in a week. They consider 3 weeks out of a relationship a really long time lol they have no idea what a long time is.

I didn’t say Anything about broken women. Why do you consider some broken? I wouldn’t believe someone’s broken.

I said I been rejected that many times. I’ve only had maybe 5 dates in my life. Rejection is being refused a date with someone.

But as I’ve said I’ve been rejected by unemployed women living off their parents after failing to get a job after college. Why did thy reject me? I don’t habe my life together. More together then theirs is but that doesn’t matter. I only imagine unemployed women are seeking a man to save them from their being poor.


She asked what my job was within about 10 mins of the chat. I said I work seasonally at the local college. She then needed th video chat and blocked me.

Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy like aspie guys we all don’t usually have the social understandings to do that and tend be more quiet and timid. Not all though. So i dont know if she suffered from anxiety like most aspies if she did she wasn’t very understanding of another aspies anxiety. She kept threatening that if I didn’t video chat with her right then she’d stop talking to me despite me expressing it makes me extremely anxious to video chat. I don’t video chat with anyone. It takes me weeks or months to voice chat people. She showed me not all aspies are the same. This was before I joined wrong planet. So she was the first other aspie and first female aspie I ever meet.


That aspie woman sounds like a psycho. She doesn’t represent many people, aspie or NT. You still didn’t say what your job is. I don’t get why it’s such an issue.


I told her my job
0.o

Do you mean my current job?
I work part time min wage as a retail floor person. You know a job for teenager according to middle class people. I’ve been told flat out I need to man up and stop taking jobs from teenagers and college students. And a lot of the employees at retailers including my store are 16-24 old women. Either working their first job, working while going to college or during breaks, or working a part time job to help with their husbands full time job income. The managers are older except one new one is a 26 year old who use to be a floor person.
Most usually move on to better paid jobs or college.
So not the middle class job real men should have. :cry:

It’s the best I can do though.



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26 Oct 2017, 5:38 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy


Citation please. You can't expect to be able to make an assertion like this without providing evidence to back it up other than the anecdotal evidence of the single aspie woman you talked to on a dating site.


That was a grammatical error due to combination of my adhd and apple . Was supposed to be aren’t usually ......

But got corrected to are which Apple does a lot and I don’t proof read every post I make for errors.



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26 Oct 2017, 5:51 pm

We can't all be 10 out of 10's.



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26 Oct 2017, 5:54 pm

sly279 wrote:
I told her my job
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Do you mean my current job?
I work part time min wage as a retail floor person. You know a job for teenager according to middle class people. I’ve been told flat out I need to man up and stop taking jobs from teenagers and college students. And a lot of the employees at retailers including my store are 16-24 old women. Either working their first job, working while going to college or during breaks, or working a part time job to help with their husbands full time job income. The managers are older except one new one is a 26 year old who use to be a floor person.
Most usually move on to better paid jobs or college.
So not the middle class job real men should have. :cry:

It’s the best I can do though.


There is nothing wrong with that job. If someone blocks you for that, it’s their problem, not yours. She sounds unstable and strange. Girls who criticise you will get a harsh reality check when they’re older. If these girls are moving on to university, this behaviour is expected as they aren’t suited to the job you and they do. Some don’t though, and continue to work there for life. They surely wouldn’t be mean about you?



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26 Oct 2017, 5:55 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy


Citation please. You can't expect to be able to make an assertion like this without providing evidence to back it up other than the anecdotal evidence of the single aspie woman you talked to on a dating site.


That was a grammatical error due to combination of my adhd and apple . Was supposed to be aren’t usually ......

But got corrected to are which Apple does a lot and I don’t proof read every post I make for errors.


Maybe you should consider proofreading then to prevent these misunderstandings because it seems like you make a lot of these kinds of mistakes and it makes your comments very hard to understand. I often skip them because there are so many spelling errors I can't tell what you're even trying to say. Could this be contributing to your issues with women on dating sites, perhaps? If they can't understand you that will make them more likely to reject you.



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27 Oct 2017, 12:21 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
sly279 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy


Citation please. You can't expect to be able to make an assertion like this without providing evidence to back it up other than the anecdotal evidence of the single aspie woman you talked to on a dating site.


That was a grammatical error due to combination of my adhd and apple . Was supposed to be aren’t usually ......

But got corrected to are which Apple does a lot and I don’t proof read every post I make for errors.


Maybe you should consider proofreading then to prevent these misunderstandings because it seems like you make a lot of these kinds of mistakes and it makes your comments very hard to understand. I often skip them because there are so many spelling errors I can't tell what you're even trying to say. Could this be contributing to your issues with women on dating sites, perhaps? If they can't understand you that will make them more likely to reject you.


She's got a point sly. Proof reading will help you communicate better. Re-read what you've written before you post and you may be able to get your points over better.



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27 Oct 2017, 12:41 am

hale_bopp wrote:
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Is it really hard to believe single women left are the ones with high standards few men can meet. They wouldn’t be single if not. But they post it very clearly. Via have your life together, Be s real man, or listing out the car, job, home.

Not to say I haven’t been rejected for my looks or political beliefs also, but mostly cause my job. I had an aspie lady push me into chatting on cam only to immediately stop and ghost me after she asked my job and I told her. So no not even aspie women are immune to caring about guys status in life. Also some aspie women can be push and manipulative. That’s what I found out from that.


No no no no. It’s not just over picky and broken women who are single. Wrong. Immature and unintelligent comment.

Some may have just come out of a relationship, some might not actually be looking, some are content on their own.

People don’t date someone in their 20s, then it’s crusing for the rest of their life. A lot of relationships end in tatters at all ages. 20s, 30s, 40s etc.

If you have been on 1500 dates and you haven’t met anyone who is completely fair and not rude, that isn’t normal.

I believe a lot of women and men at least want an equal intelligence wise, and someone who wants to achieve something in life. It’s not unreasonable. But there are a lot of women who date unemployed and poor people. Like I said, it’s not just good looking people getting married and breeding.

What do you actually do? I mean people aren’t normally repulsed when someone tells them their job. That isn’t normal.

For reference, what does that aspie woman do?


Most women here seem to break up and be in another relationship in a week. They consider 3 weeks out of a relationship a really long time lol they have no idea what a long time is.

I didn’t say Anything about broken women. Why do you consider some broken? I wouldn’t believe someone’s broken.

I said I been rejected that many times. I’ve only had maybe 5 dates in my life. Rejection is being refused a date with someone.

But as I’ve said I’ve been rejected by unemployed women living off their parents after failing to get a job after college. Why did thy reject me? I don’t habe my life together. More together then theirs is but that doesn’t matter. I only imagine unemployed women are seeking a man to save them from their being poor.


She asked what my job was within about 10 mins of the chat. I said I work seasonally at the local college. She then needed th video chat and blocked me.

Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy like aspie guys we all don’t usually have the social understandings to do that and tend be more quiet and timid. Not all though. So i dont know if she suffered from anxiety like most aspies if she did she wasn’t very understanding of another aspies anxiety. She kept threatening that if I didn’t video chat with her right then she’d stop talking to me despite me expressing it makes me extremely anxious to video chat. I don’t video chat with anyone. It takes me weeks or months to voice chat people. She showed me not all aspies are the same. This was before I joined wrong planet. So she was the first other aspie and first female aspie I ever meet.


That aspie woman sounds like a psycho. She doesn’t represent many people, aspie or NT. You still didn’t say what your job is. I don’t get why it’s such an issue.


She insisted to see him in a video chat because she wanted to see what he really looks like.



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27 Oct 2017, 1:53 am

hurtloam wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
sly279 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Well most aspie women are usually manipulative or pushy


Citation please. You can't expect to be able to make an assertion like this without providing evidence to back it up other than the anecdotal evidence of the single aspie woman you talked to on a dating site.


That was a grammatical error due to combination of my adhd and apple . Was supposed to be aren’t usually ......

But got corrected to are which Apple does a lot and I don’t proof read every post I make for errors.


Maybe you should consider proofreading then to prevent these misunderstandings because it seems like you make a lot of these kinds of mistakes and it makes your comments very hard to understand. I often skip them because there are so many spelling errors I can't tell what you're even trying to say. Could this be contributing to your issues with women on dating sites, perhaps? If they can't understand you that will make them more likely to reject you.


She's got a point sly. Proof reading will help you communicate better. Re-read what you've written before you post and you may be able to get your points over better.


Don’t have the time, grammar skills or patience. Context is important. As I said she wasn’t like other aspies so seems Clear that particular sentence was a mistake. But since wrong planet is a writing class I guess I just shouldn’t post here. Anyone who isn’t perfect at spelling and grammar and makes mistake like any human isn’t welcome here I guess.

Katy troll doesn’t ever have a point she’s here solely to pick on aspie men.

I’m not welcomed or wanted anywhere it seems



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27 Oct 2017, 2:54 am

Sly it would take you 1 min to proof read and edit mistakes. C'mon. How are we meant to take your point seriously if you won't take the time to make the point.



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27 Oct 2017, 2:57 am

In slys defence he's one of the people I get on with on the forum and have pm chats with and in a messaging back and forward context he is good at conversation, so I doubt that is an issue for him with online dating. He doesn't monologue. He has a proper conversation.