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31 Jul 2018, 8:25 am

I doubt that an animal would be docile when confronted by spears....



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31 Jul 2018, 8:32 am

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I happen to be one of those who wishes Neanderthals were in the same subspecies as us. And I believe they were as “human” as us.


I'd be happy to identify as human, provided that means I don't have to be a social butterfly, I don't have to belong to subcultures, I don't have to worship Gods (ancient or modern), I don't have to support the military, I don't have to have friends, I'm allowed to court a girl for years, I'm allowed to hyperfocus on an interest, I'm allowed to stim and I don't have to identify with the male gender stereotype.



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31 Jul 2018, 8:33 am

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My point was that inventions do follow those with the autistic streak, but without any neanderthal help, and not necessarily in autistic individuals.


That's a bit inconsistent. If autistic traits are from Neanderthal, that means they are the same, and so Neanderthals did help modern humans invent.


nope, sorry you failed to provide enough evidence to support this claim.



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31 Jul 2018, 8:35 am

Booyakasha wrote:
rdos wrote:

Booyakasha wrote:
My point was that inventions do follow those with the autistic streak, but without any neanderthal help, and not necessarily in autistic individuals.


That's a bit inconsistent. If autistic traits are from Neanderthal, that means they are the same, and so Neanderthals did help modern humans invent.


nope, sorry you failed to provide enough evidence to support this claim.


Ok, but this link is my postulate. If it isn't valid, I'd simply leave science and go for the woods.



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31 Jul 2018, 8:43 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I doubt that an animal would be docile when confronted by spears....


There is a reason why so many ice-age animals got extinct as modern humans appeared. That reason probably is that they were not afraid of humans (Neanderthals).

Another thing is that practically all domestic animals are in Eurasia. Especially the wolf probably self-domesticated in the presence of Neanderthals. The fact (I think it is a fact) is that the modern human hunting method (a large group of screaming guys) + arrows is pretty much incompatible with domesticating anything. Modern humans didn't develop bonds with their prey, and so had no interest in domestication.



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31 Jul 2018, 8:45 am

It’s the modern humans who domesticated animals and invented agriculture. Both long after the demise of the Neanderthals.

I would surmise that Aspie-type individuals had a hand in these innovations.

If it turns out that Neanderthals helped out the modern humans, Id be proud.



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31 Jul 2018, 8:47 am

I feel the demise of the Ice Age had much to do with the demise of Ice Age animals.

They were docile like all herd animals are docile.



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31 Jul 2018, 8:52 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s the modern humans who domesticated animals and invented agriculture. Both long after the demise of the Neanderthals.


It was hybrids. No animal was domesticated before modern humans encounted Neanderthals.

At least for the dog, there is evidence that the divergence with wolf predated the appearance of modern humans, although, this is contentious as anything that claims Neanderthals were smarter in some way than modern humans. Other species, like bovines, have divergences also predating modern humans, although those might not be related to domestication.

I'd say Neanderthals pre-domesticated several Eurasian species, which made real domestication possible later. That's why most domestic species originate in Eurasia.

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If it turns out that Neanderthals helped out the modern humans, Id be proud.


I think they made a big mistake. A club on the head would have been far better. :mrgreen:



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31 Jul 2018, 8:56 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
They were docile like all herd animals are docile.


Not at all. Zebra's look like horses, but are not domesticable.
https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/zebra.html



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31 Jul 2018, 9:12 am

What I meant: they were (and are) docile if they are not provoked. I wasn't talking about the ability of the animal to be domesticated.



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31 Jul 2018, 9:26 am

I told you: I would WANT Neanderthals to be at least as smart as modern humans. I've wanted this since I was about 13 years of age.

The evidence points to the lack of innovation amongst Neanderthals, though.