Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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The articles do not make any distinction between users of specific incel forums and lonely men in general. If I'm wrong, then please quote to me the text which does so.

And no I did not waste any time. I didn't have to look any of these up because I was already aware of their existence and where to find them. I wouldn't have started this thread in the first place if I had not stumbled upon them first, when I was attempting to find advice and/or support.

It will only help to a certain extent.

First of all, it will create a divide between the haves who can afford to pay for sex and the have-nots who can't.

Furthermore, it relies upon the misunderstanding that lonely men only care about getting laid. It might be helpful in the short term, but our needs extend far beyond what prostitution can provide: we affection and intimacy that is emotional as well as physical. And we need to feel like we're loved and appreciated; we need women who are with because they love us, not simply because we're paying them. Not to mention that most of us also care about having someone to share our lives with; even have children and start a family.

I agree with you that these articles are not as clearly worded as they could or should be. However, these articles do seem to me to be talking about "Incels" as an online subculture, NOT just any heterosexual man who happens to be unable to find a girlfriend.

So my question is: Are these articles misrepresenting the online "Incel" subculture -- as well as failing to make an adequate distinction between that subculture and other men like yourself? Is it not true, for example, that the online "Incel" community is dominated by anti-woman ideologies?


I'd have to know more about the specific situation to judge this. But here are my thoughts offhand:

Perhaps the woman might have been angry because it seemed to her that the man had been feigning friendship in order to get her into bed (because he stopped being her friend when that didn't happen). You probably would feel similarly angry if you perceived that a woman was feigning sexual interest in you in order to manipulate you into doing something else.

In both cases, anger at being deceived is not necessarily the same thing as an attitude of entitlement. On the other hand, in both cases, the deception itself might have been motivated by a sense of entitlement on the part of the deceiver.

So, in the situation you've described, it does indeed seem possible that the man may have had an attitude of entitlement whereas the woman did not. But I can't say for sure, because I haven't seen the original discussion.

Anyhow, it does sound to me like that Facebook group had an overzealous mod. Alas, in today's world of online echo chambers, too many people are too quick to see disagreement as trolling.


I agree that it's a problem if the media are conveying such an impression of chronically single men in general.

But the question is whether the word "Incel" should properly refer to chronically single men in general, or only to the ones who are spreading toxic and misogynistic ideas.

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The only "incels" I know of are those idiots on those websites.

Nobody on WrongPlanet is an incel, as far as I know.

I am, but I found silicone workarounds that work for me.

The majority of incels are living in rich countries and are mainly frustrated white males. It is a first world problem. In third world countries people have far more important issues enough food, water and housing, etc and living another day.

Hookers are much cheaper than a wife or even a family if it comes to this.


If a woman is raped the intimacy isn't emotional or love as well.


That's a point. To win a heart isn't as easy as paying a hooker and you can't change the way that women are if it comes to this. But you can change yourself and the way that you are. Girls are not of stone but they are just much more picky then men. You have to learn eye contact (most girls have really beautiful eyes), how to dress and how to behave to cause the girls to like you. Of course a lack of deep empathy is a real problem but once a girl has a real crush on you she'll even accept this.

I have no idea how you're inferring anything about rape from what I said.

Eye contact, dressing, and how to behave (e.i. non-verbal communication.) You know you're on a site for Aspies, right? Expecting us to master these things is like expecting a paraplegic to just "try harder" to walk.

And we do not lack empathy, we just don't have an effective method to communicate it.

Yoga studio killer self-identified as an 'incel'

Incels with financial means going to a foreign third world country will give them more options in regards to dating. Women in poor nations want financial security and money and care less about looks. First world women may have rejected incel guys based on physical appearance. If a guy does not look like a male model, body builder, sports star or a famous person he has little or no chance in first world countries in regards to dating. It is a very superficial fake world we live in based on Hollywood propaganda.

That's very sad.
Why can't the Western countries have that still?
Why can't their be any "White" European-descent developing or third-world countries?
I mainly prefer white women.
I'm fine with other races of women too, but the bad thing is that I'll have to rule out any "white" women at all in that case.

This kind of sentiment here is why "incel" has such a bad name. Think about what you're suggesting; you want there to exist a country of specifically European-descended people that are in poverty, simply so you can have those women chase after you for financial security. That is undeniably creepy no matter how you slice it.

How many incels need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves incels?

This is in such poor taste, after Friday's shooting. This thread should be locked out of respect for the women who were murdered by a self-described incel.

And there are white-dominated third world countries: Iran, Albania, Turkey (is still considered 3rd world?) , and what about Latin america (mixed but they have a white ethnicties).

Wanting to be chased for fianancial security is a huge turn off thought, how he can even sleep with one who can just sees him as a financial asset. No self dignity.

Several of my girlfriends came from China and I was still able to meet them. Remember there's a trend for college age Chinese people to do their postgraduate studies abroad. That makes it rather easy to meet them. Also China is not hundreds of thousands of miles away.

Go on then. Show us lots of feminists who are horrible people and show us lots of violent Muslims. We're waiting.

Ok then. Why don't you tell us what percentage of incels have committed violent acts and what percentage of Muslims have committed violent acts and then we can compare.