Why don't women ask out men?

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So you frequent those forums ?

Not anymore, used to back when I was in high school tho, I got sucked in through reddit but eventually quit because they WILL try and sell you stuff. I guess you could say that I was lucky that I was still a high school student and had no money so I eventually figured out their scheme

They do prey on the weak though, most of the things their guides, stories and videos are fake and fabricated, after realizing this I just noped out. There are people on those forums who will try to point this out (as it happened in my case) but they ban them on sight

Im just glad Im not in that cult anymore

Ferris,
Should I use an Outlier avatar instead of my previous Jane Eyre one?
Perhaps you can change the word! "Outlier Isabella" has a nice ring to it, I find.

Consider it done tomorrow Outlier

I mean, technically, though, most people tend to be intellectually submissive...or at least, that's what a person said in one of my threads.

However, I think the biggest problem I have with myself is not really a matter of approaching or the right time, but the circumstances and situations that I'm in. And because of my family, it's really hard for me to get close to anyone. So I save that off by 7 years or so so that most people I know would be on par with me for the most part because I'm starting to think that I'm really, really, really darn mature for my own good. And I'm not really the flirting type considering my big brother status as per mentioned before. And this can only help me moreso if the woman I'm with is older than me. Not saying that I can't take care of myself because I can and I'm a big boy, but early-to-mid 20-somethings just bombard the hell out of everything with nothing but melodrama and forget about hooking up in a bar. Might as well be in a library when asking what book they're reading (if it looks like something from Soseki, Dazai, Celine, Lautréamont or someone else that writes morbid stuff) and start a conversation from there. That's probably the only way I'll ever be capable of hooking up with somebody in that circumstance because I refrain myself from drinking alcohol at all costs and all that.

Yes, this sums it up well

men who enforce and perpetuate this gender role, tradition, are also part of the problem as well, if so many men stopped doing it worldwide for a year, it would probably compel many more women to do it.

Well, yes they're a problem to you, but there are many men, specifically among NT types who prefer doing the asking out than being asked out, so you have them to contend with. Another thing I don't think you're considering is even if the paradigm shifted and women started asking men out instead, there's no guarantee that you will be asked out, particularly if your sexual market value is low, ie you're overweight or scrawny, not independent, not particularly attractive, are working a low-income job or are unemployed, etc. Would you feel any better about never being asked out if the gender norms dictated that women are supposed to ask men out? I don't know about you, but that'd only make me feel worse about never being asked out.

so you think men have the better end of the stick?

No, not at all. Asking a lot of women out and getting rejected every time is at least just as bad as never being asked out as a woman. My point is even if gender expectations were different, it doesn't necessarily mean you'd be any better off

So you think women ask out men they find ugly?
0.o

But currently I do never get asked out and I’m too Terrified to ask women

What's a "red pill" in relation to dating? I keep hearing it in this connection. I thought the red pill was from The Matrix.

It basically means, "Get real and stop believing those myths about dating". It implies that the incel is living in a dark fantasy world where all the women are cold, cruel, manipulative, and concerned only with how prosperous a man might be.

Yes, guys; take the Red Pill and wake up in the Real World.

There is more to life than sour grapes.

I see. Thanks.