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21 Nov 2019, 3:34 pm

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I'm not sure about that. I think Sly has a bad opinion of himself and attaches too much of his self-worth to being desirable to women. Low-self-esteem shines through, and he's not seen as attractive, which further lowers his self-esteem. Rinse and repeat. It's a pretty vicious cycle.

No I think most women are horrible and immoral. They're value system is horrible. And they end up with horrible men who meet their requirements but treat them like s**t cause said men don’t value kindles and love. Then said women complain that they only ever get horrible men and why aren’t their any kind good men. But there are they just don’t see said men as good enough to date due to their income.

Guess that’s karma for you


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21 Nov 2019, 3:35 pm

Okay then, I stand corrected.


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21 Nov 2019, 3:37 pm

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It’s the one they present if themselves.
No one makes them require men who make good money. They decided that themselves.
Lady at work even calls her daughter Materialistic and superficial.
That’s how most women are todsy. Jesus was poor, and didn’t believe in making money as it selfish. He was about people and loving each other for them not their money.
So no I don’t think women today would see in value in Jesus. He’d be just about poor homeless guy to them not worth any of their time. Much like when a new pastor goes undercover as homless and his new church tries to kick him out. No that’s not what Jesus would do. Jesus wouldn’t reject men due to their income either, so no Christian women aren’t following god and Jesus. They’ve given in to the devil, greed is a sin. Desiring money is a sin. Valuing people based on their wealth is a sin. Non of that is what Jesus and christians are suppose to be.

Non of their wealth will go with their, and at the gates they will be judged in their deeds and actions not on how much they made.

Jesus had one thing that appealed to people of his time and that would appeal to people (including women) today: charisma.

I didn't witness a story of a pastor going undercover and getting kicked out of the church. That was what st Francis did a lot in his times, often getting similar results.
Well, that would say a lot about the people in this church, for certain. I wonder if they were confronted about it and how they reacted?


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21 Nov 2019, 3:38 pm

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... I think most women are horrible and immoral.  They're value system is horrible.  And they end up with horrible men who meet their requirements but treat them like s**t cause said men don’t value kindles and love.  Then said women complain that they only ever get horrible men and why aren’t their any kind good men.  But there are they just don’t see said men as good enough to date due to their income.  Guess that’s karma for you
There are people like that on both sides of the gender gap -- it is not just some women, it is men as well, whether 'straight' or LGBTQ.  Please don't single out just one group for "horrible and immoral" behavior, it just isn't right.



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21 Nov 2019, 3:42 pm

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Jesus had one thing that appealed to people of his time and that would appeal to people (including women) today: charisma.
Not just that, but who could possibly not like a man who could heal people and feed them as well?

I mean, besides those who worshiped wealth, religion and power instead of G-d.



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21 Nov 2019, 3:52 pm

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... I think most women are horrible and immoral.  They're value system is horrible.  And they end up with horrible men who meet their requirements but treat them like s**t cause said men don’t value kindles and love.  Then said women complain that they only ever get horrible men and why aren’t their any kind good men.  But there are they just don’t see said men as good enough to date due to their income.  Guess that’s karma for you
There are people like that on both sides of the gender gap -- it is not just some women, it is men as well, whether 'straight' or LGBTQ.  Please don't single out just one group for "horrible and immoral" behavior, it just isn't right.

Men value looks not wealth, men don’t care how much a woman makes or if she makes anything. Doctors will date female nurse or coffee makers.female doctors won’t date anyone nor a doctor income or more. Women wear makeup and such acquiring looks is easier and society has made it so requiring women be thin is unacceptable and thing if the past. I hope one day society will make rewarding and make requiring certain income a thing of past. More and more younger women don’t care but it too late for me. And seeing the younger couples just depresses me, perhaps if I was born 20 years later.

So stuff is being done to correct men’s superficial ness but nothing is being done to correct women’s in fact it’s defended as valid and righteous. How is women wanting a guy who makes a certain income any more valid then guys having wanted a thin fit woman?
But one is sexist and their other is ok. It’s ok to value men based on income but not ok to value women based on looks. Men shouldn’t look down on fat women but women should look down on poor men.

So why I see hope for future generations I see non for mine. But there’s also more women then men in those future generations so that May And probably does have something to do with it.

I don’t agree with men valuing women for looks and I disagree with the men who do. The guy at work always making comments about women looks disgust me as does the guy who mocked a fat woman who wanted to date him.

I rarely see people disgusted about the majority of superficial women requiring men make certain income instead both men and women are like “ well of course they do and why wouldn’t they, you just need to get a real job or accept being alone forever “


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21 Nov 2019, 3:53 pm

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those who worshiped wealth, religion and power instead of G-d.[/color]

The Gospels show a lot of such people in times of Jesus.
Yet, he found enough people following him.

Back to dating: I'm strange. I have mental health issues, I don't cook, I'm a horrible housekeeper. And I'm very intelligent, which leaves very little men comfortable with me on daily basis - learned this the hard way.
Most people wouldn't like a wife like me. The point was not most people. I needed only one, very special man. I needed to find him.
I searched. I found.

When my sister came back with a fistful of four-leaf clovers, she told me the secret of finding them: you don't look if there is a four-leaf clover. You look for where is a four-leaf clover.


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21 Nov 2019, 4:00 pm

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It’s the one they present if themselves.
No one makes them require men who make good money. They decided that themselves.
Lady at work even calls her daughter Materialistic and superficial.
That’s how most women are todsy. Jesus was poor, and didn’t believe in making money as it selfish. He was about people and loving each other for them not their money.
So no I don’t think women today would see in value in Jesus. He’d be just about poor homeless guy to them not worth any of their time. Much like when a new pastor goes undercover as homless and his new church tries to kick him out. No that’s not what Jesus would do. Jesus wouldn’t reject men due to their income either, so no Christian women aren’t following god and Jesus. They’ve given in to the devil, greed is a sin. Desiring money is a sin. Valuing people based on their wealth is a sin. Non of that is what Jesus and christians are suppose to be.

Non of their wealth will go with their, and at the gates they will be judged in their deeds and actions not on how much they made.

Jesus had one thing that appealed to people of his time and that would appeal to people (including women) today: charisma.

I didn't witness a story of a pastor going undercover and getting kicked out of the church. That was what st Francis did a lot in his times, often getting similar results.
Well, that would say a lot about the people in this church, for certain. I wonder if they were confronted about it and how they reacted?


They’d never notice his charisma. They’d never give him second of their time. Just be like oh you don’t make 20,000 a year, pass.
Women won’t even say hi to me, they don’t see me as worth their time even a few seconds of it. If you don’t make good income you aren’t even a human being to them.

It’s not just that church it’s all churches,
If they lived way Jesus did they wouldn’t take 20,000 dollar vacations, own multiple cars and houses, they wouldn’t look down on the homeless they’d donate all their excess money to helping others. That’s what Jesus would do. He wouldn’t take a 20,000 dollar vacation to Middle East to get closer to god by doing what god wouldn’t like. God is everywhere you don’t need to go to Israel to be closer to him and I don’t see how the great pyramids will bring one closer to god. However that money could help a lot of less fortunate people. Meanwhile they keep a sexist pig who may be having sex with minors as a pastor who never went to pastor school all because his dad does their financial stuff and donates lots of money. They blame the poor woman who is in love with him and who he uses as a side chick when he’s horny and nit him. It’s her fault and she got punished for being used and being used by him, but her dad isn’t a rich donor.

And this happens at many churches. They been over taken by greed and wealth.

They should replace the cross with a $ it more repersents their faith.


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21 Nov 2019, 4:11 pm

Hard to relate.
I don't know anyone spending 20,000$ on vacations. Not a single person.
Even Himalaya trek of my sister-in-law didn't come close to it. And she doesn't do it every year.
On the other hand, I did advise a young lawyer how to politely refuse going to vacation with her friends because she didn't want to spend 1,000$ on it.


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21 Nov 2019, 4:35 pm

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Hard to relate.
I don't know anyone spending 20,000$ on vacations. Not a single person.
Even Himalaya trek of my sister-in-law didn't come close to it. And she doesn't do it every year.
On the other hand, I did advise a young lawyer how to politely refuse going to vacation with her friends because she didn't want to spend 1,000$ on it.

You live in Europe. It’s way more expansive for Americans to travel abroad.
We can’t just hop on an fast inexpensive train and travel to Middle East or other European nations. Even in the USA it’s expensive. $4,000 just to go to nyc or dc for week by train(which is cheaper then flying)
It’d be around $1500 for me to go stay few days to week in Portland or Seattle.
I’d rather get new consoles in 2020 which I’ll play for 7-8 years then go on vacation for week.

So I can see how spending 3 weeks in Middle East and Africa would go to 20,000 or more.


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21 Nov 2019, 4:38 pm

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Okay then, I stand corrected.

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21 Nov 2019, 4:43 pm

Good twist for this thread.
It has turned into "would the charm of jesus make him attractive to women in modern times."
Fascinating stuff. I bet once this is solved everyone on the forum will all get laid within 1 week.



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21 Nov 2019, 4:46 pm

magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
those who worshiped wealth, religion and power instead of G-d.[/color]

The Gospels show a lot of such people in times of Jesus.
Yet, he found enough people following him.

Back to dating: I'm strange. I have mental health issues, I don't cook, I'm a horrible housekeeper. And I'm very intelligent, which leaves very little men comfortable with me on daily basis - learned this the hard way.
Most people wouldn't like a wife like me. The point was not most people. I needed only one, very special man. I needed to find him.
I searched. I found.

When my sister came back with a fistful of four-leaf clovers, she told me the secret of finding them: you don't look if there is a four-leaf clover. You look for where is a four-leaf clover.


The average middle class person today would been one of the elite rich back then. So the wealthy of then have become the majority today. Jesus would find few who live like him and the Bible say to , today.
Also many of the wealthy followed so they could use Christianity to gain power and more wealth as they do today. Like that pastor in California who’s used the churche to buy a billion dollar mansion and property. And the priests and popes of chatholic church.
They treated as royalty it’s no wonder kings and queens tried to remove them in past.

But how many men dated you before? Maybe other men wouldn’t want to marry you but I’d wager they date you to find out. Women won’t even talk to me non less date me.

Also American women aren’t expected to do any of those things nit anymore anyways.
But men are still expected to make good money, even though women work and make just as much and more then men. And this will only get worse, as more women then men go to college and thus women make more and more and men make less and less. But Most women still expect men to make more then them in order to date. The education system is designed for women so women succeed more.

So how do I find that special woman when she won’t even talk to me, message mor or match me on dating site?
Might as well spend my time trying to learn to fly like Superman, probably have better chances of that happening :cry:


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21 Nov 2019, 4:48 pm

Roboto wrote:
Good twist for this thread.
It has turned into "would the charm of jesus make him attractive to women in modern times."
Fascinating stuff. I bet once this is solved everyone on the forum will all get laid within 1 week.

To be a good Christian one has to live like Jesse and be like JEus. Since Jesus wouldn’t judge people based on their income, to be a good Christian woman they shouldn’t judge men based on their income. Jesus wasn’t like sorry your too poor for my love.
Guess they get judged at the gates.


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21 Nov 2019, 4:50 pm

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Okay then, I stand corrected.

Am I suppose to like the people who deem me worthless trash and unloveablea?
So no it’s not about my opinion of myself but about how they treat me and make me feel.
Others opinions matter more unless you live alone on a deserted island.


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21 Nov 2019, 4:52 pm

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You live in Europe. It’s way more expansive for Americans to travel abroad.
We can’t just hop on an fast inexpensive train and travel to Middle East or other European nations. Even in the USA it’s expensive. $4,000 just to go to nyc or dc for week by train(which is cheaper then flying)
It’d be around $1500 for me to go stay few days to week in Portland or Seattle.
I’d rather get new consoles in 2020 which I’ll play for 7-8 years then go on vacation for week.

So I can see how spending 3 weeks in Middle East and Africa would go to 20,000 or more.

Fnord, you live in SoCal, do people spend 80,000$ on vacations?

BTW, quick google:
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Using Booking.com, I found a week in New York City starts from about 600$.


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