Older virgins, Do you feel like it will never happen
it won't demystify sex, and the anxiety will turn into alienation.. you will feel lonely and pathetic..
Your choice. <shrug>
To each their own.
De-mystifying sex put sex in perspective, for me.
I don't feel lonely nor pathetic.
I feel empowered.
You basically pay for a chance to rap* some woman who is in that situation for dubious reasons.. she does 5-10 guys like you a day..
So, essentially, you are saying that anyone who sees a sex worker is a very bad person?
it won't demystify sex, and the anxiety will turn into alienation.. you will feel lonely and pathetic..
Your choice. <shrug>
To each their own.
De-mystifying sex put sex in perspective, for me.
I don't feel lonely nor pathetic.
I feel empowered.
You basically pay for a chance to rap* some woman who is in that situation for dubious reasons.. she does 5-10 guys like you a day..
So, essentially, you are saying that anyone who sees a sex worker is a very bad person?
Fair question. If it's consensually agreed upon, is what way was someone wronged [rap*d]...?
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This accurately describes every time I ever had sex with a girlfriend. I never initiated the activity myself, they all did. Three or four dates is simply not enough time to get to know anyone [or for them to get to know you], and in my experience, that's as long as women seemed to want to wait. The first time I actually paid for it, and in retrospect that turned out to be the most positive and rewarding experience I've ever had [likely due to more 'experience' on her part, but I honestly don't know]. Not trying to agree or disagree with anyone else, just sharing my personal story.
Seeing a sex worker is a rather honest approach to a sexual relationship.
Instead of spending a large sum of money on a one night stand via a meal, drinks and entertainment, you pay cash.
But in my case, I saw the same woman exclusively, on and off, for around 10 years with no intercourse.
Now *that* is commitment.
Instead of spending a large sum of money on a one night stand via a meal, drinks and entertainment, you pay cash.
But in my case, I saw the same woman exclusively, on and off, for around 10 years with no intercourse.
Now *that* is commitment.
If you find a hot one it's mandatory to to pork them, it's almost the rules.
Instead of spending a large sum of money on a one night stand via a meal, drinks and entertainment, you pay cash.
But in my case, I saw the same woman exclusively, on and off, for around 10 years with no intercourse.
Now *that* is commitment.
If you find a hot one it's mandatory to to pork them, it's almost the rules.
I do Kosher.
I don't "pork".
Instead of spending a large sum of money on a one night stand via a meal, drinks and entertainment, you pay cash.
Except it is not honest, because the woman is putting on an act to keep you feeling good.. it is like hiring an actress to pretend to like you or tolerate you.. on the incel forums, they tend to say exact the same thing about it being more honest to just pay a woman for sex, rather than pay via a meal, drinks, entertainment.. however, that fails to grasp that the woman is not doing it because she needs a meal or the entertainment, rather it makes her feel good to be taken care of, the same way getting a birthday gift just feels good.. also, women want to see you put something substantial on the line for them such as your physical safety by getting into a fight over them or your money.. it makes her feel wanted and pursued by you and more appreciate when you invest in her with something that matters.. also it is a mutual experience, that is why you spend money on dining and entertainment.. whereas, the prostitute gets money from you out of a different motivation.. in fact, many women will be offended if you try to pay them for sex.. so in other words, the money you spend on a woman shows significance of the relationship to you, whereas, the money you pay a prostitute is a testament to the relationship not being significant to the prostitute. A regular woman will be with you even if you don't pay her.. but a prostitute will not be with you, unless you pay her, because the relationship has no significance for her.
I am guessing it is like comparing a car to a horse.. a horse will be loyal to you and enjoy your companionship in addition to being a mode of transportation.. you spend money to buy hay to feed the horse, but even if you did not, the horse would still be attached to you.. but a car will transport anyone who buys gas and has the keys.
it won't demystify sex, and the anxiety will turn into alienation.. you will feel lonely and pathetic..
Your choice. <shrug>
To each their own.
De-mystifying sex put sex in perspective, for me.
I don't feel lonely nor pathetic.
I feel empowered.
You basically pay for a chance to rap* some woman who is in that situation for dubious reasons.. she does 5-10 guys like you a day..
So, essentially, you are saying that anyone who sees a sex worker is a very bad person?
Fair question. If it's consensually agreed upon, is what way was someone wronged [rap*d]...?
An analogy would be to pay someone to punch them in the face.. sure, many people enjoy boxing, but if someone really is doing it because they need money and does not like it.. then you are paying to have a chance to abuse someone.. and yes men who are into variety and pay escorts tend to have personalities that do not really attract women.. sure some women are OK and even into sex work.. there are posts about teachers who can't wait to become escorts to make money and don't have a problem servicing clients.. the problem is that the terms under which sex workers get into the job and perform it are stacked against them.. at a strip club for example, the women are lured with glamour and easy money and promised $100s per day.. but the reality inside a strip club is there is way too many strippers and the men have a limited amount of money they are willing to spend.. and the men go for the youngest and prettiest stripper who ends up taking money from many of the men.. on the other hand, the strippers have to pay rent, have car payments, and kids sometimes.. but they do not make an hourly wage at all.. strippers get paid zero per hour.. in fact, they are out like $15-30 per day because they pay an admission fee to work inside the strip club every shift.. so if no guy is interested, the stripper would just sit and dance for free and come home without any money at all.. so this forces the girls to work harder by being more explicit with the men, even if they do not want to.. it makes the women stoop below and become pathetic in front of the men hoping to make money after all.. and the situation is stacked against the strippers, because in order to work, they have mandatory shifts per week even though they pay for every shift too.. and when the strippers dance, they may make $1-5 or get no money at all.. so literally strip clubs have girls dancing without getting paid often.. and you also have immigrant girls who get tricked into coming to the United States and then have their passports taken away, get beaten and threatened or just tricked because there was no baby sitting or waitressing job and now they have to pay their bills for coming here, and are then are brought to work at different strip clubs for a few weeks and then moved to a new one.. or you have a low life boyfriend convincing his girlfriend to be a stripper to support them.. and the strip club has little incentive to not let abused women work there, because the strip club needs a line up of pretty women who are good strippers, because if the men come and there aren't very many women there, they will turn around and leave and not come back because they did not see any talent inside.. also police collect bribes from strip clubs, so they aren't interested in helping the women if they need.
it won't demystify sex, and the anxiety will turn into alienation.. you will feel lonely and pathetic..
Your choice. <shrug>
To each their own.
De-mystifying sex put sex in perspective, for me.
I don't feel lonely nor pathetic.
I feel empowered.
You basically pay for a chance to rap* some woman who is in that situation for dubious reasons.. she does 5-10 guys like you a day..
So, essentially, you are saying that anyone who sees a sex worker is a very bad person?
I suspect that yes, rap*ng someone just because they let you due to money being exchanged would make me a bad person..
This accurately describes every time I ever had sex with a girlfriend. I never initiated the activity myself, they all did. Three or four dates is simply not enough time to get to know anyone [or for them to get to know you], and in my experience, that's as long as women seemed to want to wait. The first time I actually paid for it, and in retrospect that turned out to be the most positive and rewarding experience I've ever had [likely due to more 'experience' on her part, but I honestly don't know]. Not trying to agree or disagree with anyone else, just sharing my personal story.
In my experience, women wanted sex on the first or at the most second date, and they lost interest and became resentful if it did not happen.. women assume that us men will take sex when offered, and they feel turned off if you don't take sex when it is offered on the first or second date.. if you are a guy who wants to wait to have sex, you won't get any bonus point for that.
This accurately describes every time I ever had sex with a girlfriend. I never initiated the activity myself, they all did. Three or four dates is simply not enough time to get to know anyone [or for them to get to know you], and in my experience, that's as long as women seemed to want to wait. The first time I actually paid for it, and in retrospect that turned out to be the most positive and rewarding experience I've ever had [likely due to more 'experience' on her part, but I honestly don't know]. Not trying to agree or disagree with anyone else, just sharing my personal story.
In my experience, women wanted sex on the first or at the most second date, and they lost interest and became resentful if it did not happen.. women assume that us men will take sex when offered, and they feel turned off if you don't take sex when it is offered on the first or second date.. if you are a guy who wants to wait to have sex, you won't get any bonus point for that.
Also, women are so used to men basically demanding sex within the first 1-3 dates that they pretty much automatically offer it. If not communicated properly they will assume you are not interested sexually in them and see the situation as a rejection. But if you say things like... I really like you, and so I don’t want to rush physical stuff bc I want to give this a real shot, most girls should just melt all over that and be ok. But it’s when it’s not communicated that they assume rejection.
it won't demystify sex, and the anxiety will turn into alienation.. you will feel lonely and pathetic..
Your choice. <shrug>
To each their own.
De-mystifying sex put sex in perspective, for me.
I don't feel lonely nor pathetic.
I feel empowered.
You basically pay for a chance to rap* some woman who is in that situation for dubious reasons.. she does 5-10 guys like you a day..
So, essentially, you are saying that anyone who sees a sex worker is a very bad person?
I suspect that yes, rap*ng someone just because they let you due to money being exchanged would make me a bad person..
So, are you saying: In your mind, anyone who had/has sex with a sex worker is a rap*ist?
Several years ago, there was a scandal starring one of Polish euroMP. It was, I believe, in Netherlands, or some other place where prostitution is fully legal.
He raped a prostitute and was completely unprepared to be branded a criminal for it.
I'm theoretizing right now because of lack of personal experience but: apparently, the more legal prostitution is, the less rape-like engaging in it becomes.
A fully legal sex worker is likely to have chosen the profession voluntarily. They dictates their terms so intercourse with them - within the agreed rules - is not violation of their body.
It's different where prostitution is connected to mafia-controlled human trafficking.
That's why, despite not being interested in prostitution from any angle, I'm pro full legalization of it.
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Honestly, I've stopped worrying about whether or not I ever have sex. It's not as important to me as it once was.
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You need more testosterone. <joke>
I have been saying the following for most of my life:
Sex is a fracking joke.
It is a nonsense and I personally can't take it seriously.
I don't do sexual intercourse and I am not interested in sexual intercourse.
It took me much of my life to realise this was OK and I was entitled to feel this way.
Some people try and force their ideas on other people.
I just laugh.
He raped a prostitute and was completely unprepared to be branded a criminal for it.
I'm theoretizing right now because of lack of personal experience but: apparently, the more legal prostitution is, the less rape-like engaging in it becomes.
A fully legal sex worker is likely to have chosen the profession voluntarily. They dictates their terms so intercourse with them - within the agreed rules - is not violation of their body.
It's different where prostitution is connected to mafia-controlled human trafficking.
That's why, despite not being interested in prostitution from any angle, I'm pro full legalization of it.
Yes, but then the mafia just forces the girls to legally work and give them the money..
This accurately describes every time I ever had sex with a girlfriend. I never initiated the activity myself, they all did. Three or four dates is simply not enough time to get to know anyone [or for them to get to know you], and in my experience, that's as long as women seemed to want to wait. The first time I actually paid for it, and in retrospect that turned out to be the most positive and rewarding experience I've ever had [likely due to more 'experience' on her part, but I honestly don't know]. Not trying to agree or disagree with anyone else, just sharing my personal story.
In my experience, women wanted sex on the first or at the most second date, and they lost interest and became resentful if it did not happen.. women assume that us men will take sex when offered, and they feel turned off if you don't take sex when it is offered on the first or second date.. if you are a guy who wants to wait to have sex, you won't get any bonus point for that.
Also, women are so used to men basically demanding sex within the first 1-3 dates that they pretty much automatically offer it. If not communicated properly they will assume you are not interested sexually in them and see the situation as a rejection. But if you say things like... I really like you, and so I don’t want to rush physical stuff bc I want to give this a real shot, most girls should just melt all over that and be ok. But it’s when it’s not communicated that they assume rejection.
I was never able to process how rejection would be for women.. because I always had trouble with physical sex not know when and having to think about what to do and hard time with it due to shyness and not knowing what is OK and what is not, also being awkward with any interaction in general.. NT men probably take charge and boss women around more and are more confident about initiating sex..
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