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05 Aug 2007, 1:52 pm

If a really beaultiful girl wants me I will believe not only her Looks, but alo her, Intellect, moral character, interests and personality are the best I ever met!! !


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05 Aug 2007, 2:18 pm

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Better to strive for perfection, not the current statistical "normality". I expect people to behave, no matter the how many of them aren't. If might makes right, nothing's worth doing.


The problem is wiring though, its sad that we as human beings have so much instinctive wiring that jacks this whole process up but I'd imagine that most people walk into these situations like "Nah, that's not me - I'd do everything I could to make something work" just to find out unfortunately that oil beats water every time. That's why I have my own tendency to really want to hold out until I meet someone where I really have faith that things would work, its not just my emotional build and natural reaction to things but hers and the way natural instincts interact has much more to do with it I think than anything.



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05 Aug 2007, 4:19 pm

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I don't see it as degeneration. Sure,
everyone goes out and plays a bit now.

But, most marriages seem to fall apart because the
woman CAN leave now.


So let me get this straight... marriages fall, not because of the offenses committed, but because women choose to leave.

I'm going to roll my eyes at you for the first time. Ready?

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And next time, you may not be so hasty.
Offenses ARE committed. Your own case is
an example. At one time, it would have been
IMPOSSIBLE for you to leave. Later, much more
difficult.

When men held all the cards, divorce was uncommon.
They got their way, had their affairs, and 'twas nothing
could be done about it.
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If might makes right, nothing's worth doing.


Right makes might. But 'tis seldom realized, and thus
not so easily used.



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05 Aug 2007, 5:03 pm

calandale wrote:
Offenses ARE committed. Your own case is
an example. At one time, it would have been
IMPOSSIBLE for you to leave. Later, much more
difficult.

When men held all the cards, divorce was uncommon.
They got their way, had their affairs, and 'twas nothing
could be done about it.


Apparently it's another matter of definitions then.

I don't think a divorce decree breaks a real marriage.

And I don't think the absence of one makes a false marriage whole.

If a husband is running around or beating his wife, that marriage is in a bad state and probably isn't even real, in my book. The legal status of such a pair is irrelevant to me.



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05 Aug 2007, 5:25 pm

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You sure that's not a joke? While at least some degree of looks is necessary, depending on the guy and what his biological preferences are, there's still a heck of a lot that means a lot more to us than that. Me and my group know girls who are 9.5 barbie dolls and while they hang with friends of friends they're also still single - no one wants to date em just because they're looking for impossible things (the guy who's a bit of a thug, a bit edgy, does all the cool things like stunt-rides but who at the same time is a hidden brainiac who makes 100k a year; heck, even the local Starboys we know don't even wanna deal with that).



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05 Aug 2007, 5:38 pm

I think that graphic is assuming that this is what Men and Women look for when they want one-night stands.

On the most basic level of sexual attraction... this is what the average person is looking for. Thankfully people can reason beyond such desires... if they choose to.


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05 Aug 2007, 6:28 pm

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If a husband is running around or beating his wife, that marriage is in a bad state and probably isn't even real, in my book. The legal status of such a pair is irrelevant to me.


Unless, they both like it?

But, we were talking about degeneration.
These things have always happened.



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05 Aug 2007, 6:31 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
impossible things (the guy who's a bit of a thug, a bit edgy, does all the cool things like stunt-rides but who at the same time is a hidden brainiac who makes 100k a year; heck, even the local Starboys we know don't even wanna deal with that).


HEY, these things aren't impossible. I'm neither into "stunt-rides"
(whatever they are), nor do I make 100k (though I probably could),
but I'm an edgy thug with a brain.

What are starboys, btw?



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05 Aug 2007, 6:54 pm

calandale wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
If a husband is running around or beating his wife, that marriage is in a bad state and probably isn't even real, in my book. The legal status of such a pair is irrelevant to me.


Unless, they both like it?

But, we were talking about degeneration.
These things have always happened.


I thought we were talking about the degeneration of the aims of feminists over the decades.

It seems to me that at first they simply wished to be treated better, then somewhere along the line the goals shifted. For the worse, in my opinion.



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05 Aug 2007, 7:30 pm

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It seems to me that at first they simply wished to be treated better, then somewhere along the line the goals shifted. For the worse, in my opinion.


Certainly seems better treatment to be able to
have the freedom to act as they wish.

Just because people don't act according
to some particular moral code, doesn't
mean that they should be prevented
from making the choice.



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05 Aug 2007, 9:13 pm

calandale wrote:
HEY, these things aren't impossible. I'm neither into "stunt-rides"
(whatever they are), nor do I make 100k (though I probably could),
but I'm an edgy thug with a brain.


Well, depends on what your definition of 'edgy thug' is and if it really meets the NT criteria and expectations of what that means in a guy.

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What are starboys, btw?


They're our local all-star team as far as sport-bike stunt riders. My roommate knows a few of em, we were actually out at a local bar last Thursday playing flip-cup.



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05 Aug 2007, 11:09 pm

calandale wrote:

Certainly seems better treatment to be able to
have the freedom to act as they wish.

Just because people don't act according
to some particular moral code, doesn't
mean that they should be prevented
from making the choice.


They were always free to be promiscuous and mistreat people. The social consequences were just more harsh.

I think it would have been a better move to increase the social pressure for males to behave, rather than relaxing the standards for females, that's all. It's an issue of fashion, not freedom.



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05 Aug 2007, 11:58 pm

gwenevyn wrote:

They were always free to be promiscuous and mistreat people. The social consequences were just more harsh.


I wouldn't call stoning, beating, and starvation mere social
consequences.

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I think it would have been a better move to increase the social pressure for males to behave, rather than relaxing the standards for females, that's all. It's an issue of fashion, not freedom.


Social engineering is something which doesn't seem to work.
The 'loosening' of morals came from removing truly harsh and
unequal treatments. To make the treatment of all humans equal,
and as restrictive as once was the case for women, would require
a police state which would put the Soviet and Nazi systems to shame.



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06 Aug 2007, 12:25 am

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Already taken's ok.


reasons why it's not for me:
1. If she cheats on her current bf, I won't trust her. I offer fidelity but demand it also.
2. It's hard enough getting (positive) female attention with single women, forget the other kind.
3. Every time I've been told she's got a bf, it's been a way of telling me 'thanks but no thanks.'

I don't know why I bother trying anymore. I think in a yeat or so I'll have given up on this, just as I've largely given up on friendship.


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06 Aug 2007, 12:36 am

Once a cheater always a cheater. This is one area where women are becoming worse than men (especially among married women).



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06 Aug 2007, 12:41 am

pbcoll wrote:
calandale wrote:
Already taken's ok.


reasons why it's not for me:
1. If she cheats on her current bf, I won't trust her. I offer fidelity but demand it also.
2. It's hard enough getting (positive) female attention with single women, forget the other kind.
3. Every time I've been told she's got a bf, it's been a way of telling me 'thanks but no thanks.'

I don't know why I bother trying anymore. I think in a yeat or so I'll have given up on this, just as I've largely given up on friendship.


First of all, I DIDN'T say a cheater.
My first gf was attached to a friend,
and it wasn't going anywhere. She
developed a desire for me, and broke
off relations, a month before approaching
me. There were no hard feelings anywhere.

Second, I find it difficult to get into meaningful
conversations with random people. But, when
hanging around with a couple, one can feel
comfortable. Plus, the thought that she's "off
limits" makes interaction easier.