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01 Jun 2024, 10:04 am

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You don't need to be happy to be autistic, I think you just need to make peace with it.

No peace for something that prevents me from being normal.



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01 Jun 2024, 10:05 am

Oh un-alive :lol:

f**k I'm such a ret*d


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01 Jun 2024, 10:06 am

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f**k I'm such a ret*d

Me too



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01 Jun 2024, 10:07 am

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You are always going to be autistic no matter what you do.

As someone who was diagnosed late and never considered the possibility that I was autistic - I literally copied NTs. You'll find a lot of women like me doing the exact same thing and still struggling. As you said, you're going to always be slightly off. You can deny and hide and learn all the tricks, but you're never going to be a NT. Your brain is wired differently than them.

I sound harsh because you're going to suffer more if you suppress yourself. You are lying to people. I mean, you don't need to tell every single person you are autistic, but if you never tell your spouse or someone close, it will hurt them. You're harming your body for the chance of ONE person to say "hi." Is that not extreme? That's never going to bring you happiness.

You don't need to be happy to be autistic, I think you just need to make peace with it.

Either I pass as NT, or I unalive myself.


I strongly insist that you seek out therapy, because I don't think any normal "strong" person will consider killing themselves over something that can be easily managed instead of lying to yourself and others around you.


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01 Jun 2024, 10:07 am

Well at least you can laugh about it


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01 Jun 2024, 10:07 am

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You don't need to be happy to be autistic, I think you just need to make peace with it.

No peace for something that prevents me from being normal.

What is normal to you? Can you elaborate on that? What do you think is considered not to be normal to others?


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01 Jun 2024, 10:08 am

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Well at least you can laugh about it

Yeah, I laugh at some of the stupid things I get sensory-overloaded on.

Like a grocery store??? Really now?? :skull:


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01 Jun 2024, 10:09 am

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I strongly insist that you seek out therapy, because I don't think any normal "strong" person will consider killing themselves over something that can be easily managed instead of lying to yourself and others around you.

Everyone lies to an extent. Do you think rich people got rich by being honest?

The only way I can possibly succeed is through lying and cheating



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When I was a teen, I was a social outcast. However, a couple of times I was lucky enough to participate in Summer programs for high schoolers. So there would be a whole lot of girls who'd never before met me. Apparently, I was attractive to a lot of girls, although from my experiences at home I wouldn't have thought so. So on such Summer programs, I had a few occasions to make out with a girl I'd just met, which at least in those days was sort of considered normal for American teens (I believe they're a bit more squeamish about such things nowadays). However, as the weeks went by, more and more of the other kids would start to ostracize me, including of course the girls.

So my first casual encounters with people didn't necessarily shout "autism" which is one reason I wasn't diagnosed (although HFA and the like weren't really a thing back then) rather it became apparent when people "got to know me better". Although one long-standing benefit I got from this was, because girls had made out with me before, I never gave up on asking girls/women on dates, to dance with me, etc. even if those efforts ultimately fell short of success. This is why I finally met my first girlfriend (who I now believe to have been on the AS) fortunately my personality didn't turn her off the way most girls were eventually turned off.

Interestingly, I believe having an autistic girlfriend (if such was the case) was probably the best introduction to relationships for me, although in the long run I think I'm better off being with an NT woman.

If you're fairly confident that the first impression you make doesn't shout AUTISM in capital letters, then I wouldn't worry about whether the women you approach are autistic or not. In reality, the vast majority won't be (although they may have one or more of a large variety of personality disorders, but that's a different discussion). Fact is, the only way you are going to meet enough autistic women to even have to think about it, is if you participate in some sort of autistic dating site or social event.

As I suggested earlier, dating an autistic woman may be a great first relationship experience. Also, if you are attracted to that woman, then you shouldn't care. Worked for me anyway.


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01 Jun 2024, 10:11 am

FrostBender wrote:
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I strongly insist that you seek out therapy, because I don't think any normal "strong" person will consider killing themselves over something that can be easily managed instead of lying to yourself and others around you.

Everyone lies to an extent. Do you think rich people got rich by being honest?

Yes, but I am not talking about rich people lying. I am talking about how you feel the extreme need to lie or kill yourself.


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01 Jun 2024, 10:13 am

honeytoast wrote:
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I strongly insist that you seek out therapy, because I don't think any normal "strong" person will consider killing themselves over something that can be easily managed instead of lying to yourself and others around you.

Everyone lies to an extent. Do you think rich people got rich by being honest?

Yes, but I am not talking about rich people lying. I am talking about how you feel the extreme need to lie or kill yourself.

It was an example. I will not accept my autism. I do not want anyone to know I have it. I do not want support. I have two choices, succeed at life by NT passing. Or die.



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01 Jun 2024, 10:16 am

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I want to try getting NT girls first.


Well you aren't going to get any if you don't start finding some ways to accept yourself and build a little confidence. Because I don't think you're so good at masking as you think you are.


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01 Jun 2024, 10:17 am

What time frame are you giving yourself for this success


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01 Jun 2024, 10:25 am

FrostBender wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
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honeytoast wrote:
I strongly insist that you seek out therapy, because I don't think any normal "strong" person will consider killing themselves over something that can be easily managed instead of lying to yourself and others around you.

Everyone lies to an extent. Do you think rich people got rich by being honest?

Yes, but I am not talking about rich people lying. I am talking about how you feel the extreme need to lie or kill yourself.

It was an example. I will not accept my autism. I do not want anyone to know I have it. I do not want support. I have two choices, succeed at life by NT passing. Or die.

That's fine to not need or want support or let anyone know you have it. I don't tell very many people about being autistic, only those close to me.

I think you're going to continue to struggle as long as you never make peace with it. You will never be a NT no matter what you do. As someone who's probably considered to be very successful in life with the tism, you will always face struggles and it will come out a bit.


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01 Jun 2024, 10:34 am

FrostBender wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
FrostBender wrote:
honeytoast wrote:
I strongly insist that you seek out therapy, because I don't think any normal "strong" person will consider killing themselves over something that can be easily managed instead of lying to yourself and others around you.

Everyone lies to an extent. Do you think rich people got rich by being honest?

Yes, but I am not talking about rich people lying. I am talking about how you feel the extreme need to lie or kill yourself.

It was an example. I will not accept my autism. I do not want anyone to know I have it. I do not want support. I have two choices, succeed at life by NT passing. Or die.


When it comes to employment you may have to fake and lie some, like capitalism sucks and that is the way the game is played. But do you really want your personal life to be a lie to? Like wouldn't you rather be able to de-stress when you come home rather than also having to put on some act for your partner....and just never have the chance to be yourself even at home?

It would be better to accept the autism, and just learn and do research on social interaction to improve in that area. Or dare I say fake your way through some situations, but you can't really fake NT behavior if you don't understand it...


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01 Jun 2024, 10:35 am

ND women aren’t as attractive as NT women.