Can shyness/quietness ever be attractive to females?
Being a "quiet/shy" guy myself, reading through this thread has helped me realise that I do indeed have a chance at finding a partner at some point. Most of the girls I've had anything to do with seem to look for the "alpha" traits. It can get pretty demoralising.
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Shyness rocks if your good at it
Girls WILL flirt with shy guys all the time
I don't know about aspie girls though but NTgirls love to flirt an mess iwth shy guys
Im like really really shy and thats just how i am an girls sometimes think its cute and dateable
but us till gotta atleast enjoy life an have a few friends an stuff and act like ur not like totlly shy i mean even though thats still good
I think shyness can be a major attraction to girls cuz they will think that u like them if ur really shy around someone they think omg this guy really likes me ETC so they will try to flirt
but i think guys still gotta make some initatiive to ask the girl out u could be super shy and a girl will flirt with u but if u dont talk to them or say whats on ur mind girls just aren't super upfront they might ask do u wanna go do this or that but they wont ASK u out on a date or something its still the guys job to take it to the next level IMO from my experiences
Girls WILL flirt with shy guys all the time
I don't know about aspie girls though but NTgirls love to flirt an mess iwth shy guys
Im like really really shy and thats just how i am an girls sometimes think its cute and dateable
but us till gotta atleast enjoy life an have a few friends an stuff and act like ur not like totlly shy i mean even though thats still good
I think shyness can be a major attraction to girls cuz they will think that u like them if ur really shy around someone they think omg this guy really likes me ETC so they will try to flirt
but i think guys still gotta make some initatiive to ask the girl out u could be super shy and a girl will flirt with u but if u dont talk to them or say whats on ur mind girls just aren't super upfront they might ask do u wanna go do this or that but they wont ASK u out on a date or something its still the guys job to take it to the next level IMO from my experiences
You need to be a little attractive or something, I can be the shyest guy in the room and I never get any attention. It's only when I start asking questions and appearing interested do I get some response.
Of course it doesn't help when you are a fat man in a Hawaiian shirt... A person needs to have the right style to pull off this shy thing... goofy party man isn't the right style.
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Of course it doesn't help when you are a fat man in a Hawaiian shirt... A person needs to have the right style to pull off this shy thing... goofy party man isn't the right style.
Well, I think the attractiveness of this and a lot of other-than-alpha things, not talking about all people but just the trends that seem to show, is more linked to how well your personality and outward appearance fit a societal archetype. Shyness seems to work well for guys who have a real traditional style and they seem to mesh with the girls who want to live in that sort of space of society with that sort of person (conservative, family oriented, quiet, and especially if he's fearful of all the things that she's been taught to be fearful of). I think fitting a stereotype like that is a saving grace for a lot of people just because, when you do fit a stereotype your with the masses and when you are people not only know exactly how to read you (or your at least ready to concede your identity to their misreading) it makes it easier for them, they don't feel like anything is out of whack, unpredictable, you don't make them think too hard, and its just what people gravitate to because its easy.
Gwenevyn, I've enjoyed reading your posts. I just arrived at WP a few weeks ago, and I can see that you've been posting here quite a bit so there is much more for me to read yet, but from what I see already you are educated and wisely balanced in attitude. I'm frankly impressed.
I'm definitely shy and I didn't date for the first time until I was almost 25 years old. But that didn't mean girls at school and women didn't chase me. It just meant I could run faster! In my last year of high school, I even had one of the teachers come over after school let out and stand over me (I was typing on a computer terminal at the time) and say, "Kiss me." She had earlier smiled at me (10 or 15 minutes before) and I'd smiled back, though not with any intent -- just a social response I'd learned to apply, automatically. Well, when she suddenly walked over and asked my stomach twisted up and I told her "no," got up and literally ran down the hall as fast as I could. (Students were all gone, by then.)
I never really did understand social situations much. I hated the idea of parties, as small talk literally and physically grates on me like "nails on a chalkboard." I enjoy talking about things, 1:1, where we are talking about a project or something beyond each of us -- kind of a parallel thing, if that makes sense, where we don't focus on each other but on the subject matter at hand. But mindless chatter about the weather, just to make small talk, is abhorent and painful to me. It seems to me, though I admit being on the outside looking in, that NT types almost require this kind of chatter to "feel comfortable" in a situation -- yet it is _exactly_ what makes me feel very uncomfortable, often to the point of feeling chills going down my spine and wanting desperately to get away. Parties are probably the most difficult situation for me. I've still never been to a bar, even once. I have NO interest at all in that kind of thing. Weddings, parties, bar scenes, etc., are murder on me. Still are. I avoid most gatherings like the plague. Yet, as a trained mathematician and physicist, I crave 1:1 discussions about external ideas and projects and that is how I develop relationships with others -- through common interests and learning together about the world.
Well, there is a story of shyness w/autism for what it is worth.
Jon
About what Dracula (I think it was Dracula) wrote earlier, about shy=wimp . . .
I'm very reserved and anxious around people, but I have never been much of a "victim". I rather think of myself as a stubborn, grumpy, old man.
I don't back down, and I ignore threats. In fact, I tend to ignore bullies completely.
Do I still count as shy? I thought that I did, but I'm not sure now . . .
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I think associating the behavior strictly with emotional or mental weakness is way off point. There are a lot of reasons that can add up to the same thing. In my own situation, I feel like I have a very physical barrier that keeps me from speaking certain kinds of dialog, get me on grounds that I can follow and everything is good. Socially, because I'm at that disadvantage, I can assert myself when challenged but have to avoid actually creating challenges or causing beef. Yeah, I've never believed in starting fights or conflicts, bucking for dominance, on how my parents raised me. Anymore I know that none of that matters in the sense that society's overtone - if it looks or smells like it could be weakness, it is until proven otherwise no questions asked. When of course your stuck in a position that you really can't fully prove otherwise unless people give you the time of day to listen or really check you out, you've got nothing and in a round about way it ends up being true, even if your a very tough person inwardly, even if your command of fundamental social skills and social knowledge is great, you're still at people's mercy to a degree and it definitely holds you down.
That's just one example of many. A lot of people just have natural inclinations that push on their motivational centers so hard that being any other way it motivationally like pushing two huge positive magnets together and any reaction to that end is completely repelled by your brains internal reward system (I'm fine with socializing but when it comes to needing to be dominant or thowing my weight around, or possibly trying to be the David D'Angelo type guy that's exactly what happens - less than no gratification to where even the possible reward for those actions gets eaten up by the sheer weight of that repulsion from the act and behavior itself). To a point I think people only have so much say in who they are, they can control what they do with what they have but only have maybe have a 5 degree range of freedom in the 360 when it comes to altering what they really have in the end.
Its one thing if a person just hasn't done a thing for themselves, hasn't worked on themselves at all, hasn't done anything to test their limits. On the other hand people who do push their absolute limits because they want more out of themselves seem to be only working on the same fixed amount of mental energy as before. When you push yourself to those limits, you can dance around from side to side and keep the whole tent held up but your stretched so thin that you've got little left to enjoy life with and of course any ground you've gained - often times you really don't want to give it up or go backwards (that energy deficit is a big issue and I still drink a lot of coffee, energy drinks etc.). People who really are just happy sappy, don't do a thing, don't care, and sometimes feel the world owes them; sadly that sort of behavior is rewarded by the central nervous system because the less energy you expend the more you have, the more outwardly lit up you are, and even if your a complete piece of work and most people can't stand you you'll look a lot healthier I think quite often. That's why also quite often its the sappiest idiots who attract the opposite sex whereas the best people out there are hard up for a long time if they aren't already in a long term relationship (guys, girls, I see it everywhere).
So, it really all depends on how a person's geared. If someone wants to say that shy or shy appearing people are literally, in all senses, inferior because they can't summon it up to have a spine in the social dominance without acid or coke, its an f'd up thought but to a certain degree - biologically speaking, they do have solid ground to stand on in that opinion just based on what we are. We aren't all created equal, we really are owned to a huge degree by the bodies that we're put in, the 46 chromosomes we have, and what those chromosomes will or won't allow. Not that piss poor behavior or personal choices are usually not someones fault, just that people do have their limits I think. The people who'd say "Nah, people like that are all just wimps and need to toughen up - its easy, I can do it" may be speaking the truth with some people but I don't think its anything close to a majority. People also say "Don't be something your not", you've gotta pick your side on that one, figure out whether you are what other people think, whether you define yourself as who you think you are, whether you define your true and end goal self as what you look up to in people (after all there's probably a good reason why you aspire to certain things at a deep gut level), and even when being your true self gets people telling you that you aren't, you kinda have to say f' em - sometimes that's even a deliberate slap in the face, status-jostling, and sometimes I think its best to let people know that you know what they're up to and that you can't be played like that.
Anymore if someone wants to make assumptions about me they're more than welcome to. That reality is in their own head, they take their thoughts on what certain things mean to them, from their experience of their own mind and body, project that on whoever it is they're dealing with, and while I think its more just recklessness I think the reason why a lot of people don't stick up for themselves on issues like that is because they're sense of self hasn't galvanized to where they can repel it; hence they'll easily enough absorb and own any accusations thrown at them just by how someone else compiles their behavior in their own minds.
I'm sure some women find shyness attractive, but these women are likely to be timid themselves. The result is that two socially reserved people are unlikely to cross each other's path. The better approach is to overcome one's shyness to be able to approach women instead of wondering about a hypothetical woman.
I associate shyness with some other qualities I like in people. Of course, shyness is no guarantee that someone has these qualities, but when I see someone shy I often assume they're:
Kind
Intelligent
Sensitive
Emotional
Self-assured (because they don't need to assert what they're thinking to other people every second)
Independent
Considerate
All of which are great qualities for anyone to have.
Kind
Intelligent
Sensitive
Emotional
Self-assured (because they don't need to assert what they're thinking to other people every second)
Independent
Considerate
All of which are great qualities for anyone to have.
Very well put. I think you decribed me perfectly.
Tim
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