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29 Nov 2018, 1:43 am

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I'm curious about your statement that mechanics is a horrible field for aspies? All of the men on my father's side of the family including my brother have been engineers including mechanical engineers, and they've all been excellent at auto mechanics. One even designed huge roller coasters throughout the UK. All of these men were autistic to the best of my understanding. My mother's father was also very aspie and he was an aeronautical engineer. Just piping in some food for thought, although I know you aren't a trained engineer.


I meant working as a mechanic which is what people who work on cars are called here not the field of mechanics.
Ones ina. Noisy dirty shop where everyone yells at you and rushes you to move faster faster faster. Do a 10 min job in 5 they say but don’t mess up or damage the car.
The other tends to be office jobs. My cousin is an engineer he works in a office drawing plans and makes good money.

Most aspies and I’m one are sensitive to sound and shops are full of loud air tools and people banging metal on metal. And we most don’t seem to care for being yelled at and everyone’s yelling at each other.
I’m not fast pace perso. I’m a detail person.
It takes me 5 mins to pull a car into a stall and properly position the mounts(otherwise you damage the car frame and total a car, or worse case it falls off the lift which happens far too much) so 1 I don’t want to damage the car as then I get fired, 2. I’m under the car and don’t want it falling in me.
So along with the above there’s tons of anxiety, I once did a job and then it turned out I got given wrong order which the boss got mad at me about even though it wasn’t my fault, and being an aspie I was like well he was due a oil change soon anyways so isn’t that good, wel no cause now he got a free one.
To do a proper oil change and inspection takes 15-20 mins but they want it done in 5 mins. Corners have to be cut, people are super impatient, as my teacher said people today want to pull their car in and have a total overhaul in 30 mins and be back to work. Repairs take time. Quality takes time.
It’s no wonder tired get on lose, bolts don’t get out back on etc.
and that is why it’s a terrible field for autistics
I wish I’d done a degree in some kind of office job. Maybe then I’d be middle class with a wife and kids :cry:



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29 Nov 2018, 1:45 am

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Single men get nothing from the government and have to pay to support single mothers andz couple with children living it up on off hard working unwanted single guys.
I imagine incels wouldn't have to to worry about paying child support.

Believe me that child support payments aren't as much as you'd be paying to raise a child if you were still actively parenting.


A lot of incels seem to be rather right-wing in their views. Not very big on welfare.



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29 Nov 2018, 1:45 am

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You work in a place, Sly, that would never exist in New York City LOL
Really? From where do the good people of NYC procure their firearms?

They don’t, nyc bans firearms for anyone that’s not a cop.



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29 Nov 2018, 1:47 am

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You work in a place, Sly, that would never exist in New York City LOL

I actually find it a trip that you work there.

I get the feeling you do a pretty good job; otherwise, they would probably have fired you long ago.


You can go to one in Cheektowaga
Wherever that is in new york



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29 Nov 2018, 1:51 am

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Don't you get trophies for hunting giant rats, sewer gators and real estate tycoons?

He’s talking about the horror act of stuffing animals and displaying their corpse a trophy, cause it’s so hard to kill an innocent animal from a distance. Or celebrate chasing a poor bear into a corner and shorting it repeatedly as it hids in fear.
I don’t like trophy hunters at all.
Seeing the animals makes me sad. It’s dishonorable and disrespectful to them



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29 Nov 2018, 1:52 am

Sabreclaw wrote:
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Single men get nothing from the government and have to pay to support single mothers andz couple with children living it up on off hard working unwanted single guys.
I imagine incels wouldn't have to to worry about paying child support.

Believe me that child support payments aren't as much as you'd be paying to raise a child if you were still actively parenting.


A lot of incels seem to be rather right-wing in their views. Not very big on welfare.


I apologise if this is stereotyping but I thought a lot of incels were on welfare.


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29 Nov 2018, 1:53 am

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Woman DIG handy guys!

One of the reasons why they didn't dig me when I was younger.....was because I wasn't HANDY......

They LOVE men who can fix things. And nothing can dissuade me from that opinion.

Unless the guys poor, live with family and doesn’t own a car.
I fix things for my family.



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29 Nov 2018, 1:57 am

sly279 wrote:
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Don't you get trophies for hunting giant rats, sewer gators and real estate tycoons?

He’s talking about the horror act of stuffing animals and displaying their corpse a trophy, cause it’s so hard to kill an innocent animal from a distance. Or celebrate chasing a poor bear into a corner and shorting it repeatedly as it hids in fear.
I don’t like trophy hunters at all.
Seeing the animals makes me sad. It’s dishonorable and disrespectful to them

I agree. Taxidermy gives me a major uncanny valley effect. They look almost, but not quite like they did when they were alive. The skin's not quite right and those glass eyes look so cold and dead. It really is sad.


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29 Nov 2018, 2:51 am

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Single men get nothing from the government and have to pay to support single mothers andz couple with children living it up on off hard working unwanted single guys.


What the hell? No one is living it up on child support. I'm in the UK, so I only know about benefits in this country.

When i was a kid my Mum collected child support from the post office every Monday. My Dad lived with us. He worked full time, but in a low paid job. She had my little sister to look after and no family nearby to help out.

Child support helped us get by. There were periods where I had shoes that were too small or a coat with a broken zip. We couldn't afford better.

I don't mind paying a little put of my wage towards National Insurance to help people in difficult circumstances.

I have this thing called compassion. If we collectively look after the next generation we help build a better society.



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29 Nov 2018, 3:33 am

^^^ :wtg:



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29 Nov 2018, 3:35 am

my experience in the army was that the women there were generally attracted to the alphas, most of whom were somewhat aholey in terms of how they bullied others beneath them or those who they perceived to be weak no matter their rank. the "bad boys" always came out ahead not only in dating but also in getting awards and promotions. just being competent and diligent was insufficient.



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29 Nov 2018, 4:58 am

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my experience in the army was that the women there were generally attracted to the alphas, most of whom were somewhat aholey in terms of how they bullied others beneath them or those who they perceived to be weak no matter their rank. the "bad boys" always came out ahead not only in dating but also in getting awards and promotions. just being competent and diligent was insufficient.


We live in a funny world eh?

Those "alpha" types really turn me off, but just in a dating sense, but I just can't make friends with couples like that. They really grate on me.



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29 Nov 2018, 5:36 am

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my experience in the army was that the women there were generally attracted to the alphas, most of whom were somewhat aholey in terms of how they bullied others beneath them or those who they perceived to be weak no matter their rank. the "bad boys" always came out ahead not only in dating but also in getting awards and promotions. just being competent and diligent was insufficient.


We live in a funny world eh? Those "alpha" types really turn me off, but just in a dating sense, but I just can't make friends with couples like that. They really grate on me.

mee too.



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29 Nov 2018, 9:05 am

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The problem incels have isn't sex. No amount of sex workers will cure their issues. There are plenty of guys that have had sex with lots of sex workers and women still do not want to date them. Lonely and socially awkward guys are unattractive.

They're angry because they're socially rejected - you can't buy your way out of that with infinity sex workers. They're especially angry because it seems so arbitrary: There are guys just as ugly who get laid. There are guys just as poor who get laid. There are guys who are bigger jerks that get laid. How do you explain to these guys why they aren't getting the validation they want when it seems like people doing the same things are getting validated? The anger is fueled by that; it's only barely about sex at all, and certainly not really about sex workers.


Do you appreciate that women are socially rejected too, and especially aspie women who are uncomfortable with the standards set by other women? Not only do many women feel lonely and rejected, but they stand the chance of being raped, being branded as sluts, or becoming pregnant if they meet the wrong person? If women are very successful they are considered intimidating or overly-feminist (whatever that is). If they aren't overly successful they are ridiculed by other women and they risk being manipulated by partners (male / female) who exploit their vulnerability.

I'm not saying it's worse for women, but rather that both sexes experience what you describe.

You can be as lonely and rejected as you want, you still won't be an incel. They constitute an on-line community of misogynistic a-holes who think they are entitled to love and sex without doing any work for it whatsoever.


Again, the point of this thread is not about online self-identifying Incel communities. It's about men like myself who have nothing to do with such communities but are constantly unfairly compared to them.



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29 Nov 2018, 9:06 am

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The problem incels have isn't sex. No amount of sex workers will cure their issues. There are plenty of guys that have had sex with lots of sex workers and women still do not want to date them. Lonely and socially awkward guys are unattractive.

They're angry because they're socially rejected - you can't buy your way out of that with infinity sex workers. They're especially angry because it seems so arbitrary: There are guys just as ugly who get laid. There are guys just as poor who get laid. There are guys who are bigger jerks that get laid. How do you explain to these guys why they aren't getting the validation they want when it seems like people doing the same things are getting validated? The anger is fueled by that; it's only barely about sex at all, and certainly not really about sex workers.


Do you appreciate that women are socially rejected too, and especially aspie women who are uncomfortable with the standards set by other women? Not only do many women feel lonely and rejected, but they stand the chance of being raped, being branded as sluts, or becoming pregnant if they meet the wrong person? If women are very successful they are considered intimidating or overly-feminist (whatever that is). If they aren't overly successful they are ridiculed by other women and they risk being manipulated by partners (male / female) who exploit their vulnerability.

I'm not saying it's worse for women, but rather that both sexes experience what you describe.

You can be as lonely and rejected as you want, you still won't be an incel. They constitute an on-line community of misogynistic a-holes who think they are entitled to love and sex without doing any work for it whatsoever.


There are plenty of successful guys that are not Autistic and for some bizarre unique reasons of their own they fail to connect with women. There are plenty of normal guys out there that can not get dates and spend their time playing sports and drinking with their mates. Not everyone is going to be successful in the dating world regardless if they are male or female. There are plenty of normal guys that have the inability to connect with women despite being successful and sociable.


I'll need to see your sources.



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29 Nov 2018, 9:25 am

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I'm curious about your statement that mechanics is a horrible field for aspies? All of the men on my father's side of the family including my brother have been engineers including mechanical engineers, and they've all been excellent at auto mechanics. One even designed huge roller coasters throughout the UK. All of these men were autistic to the best of my understanding. My mother's father was also very aspie and he was an aeronautical engineer. Just piping in some food for thought, although I know you aren't a trained engineer.


I meant working as a mechanic which is what people who work on cars are called here not the field of mechanics.
Ones ina. Noisy dirty shop where everyone yells at you and rushes you to move faster faster faster. Do a 10 min job in 5 they say but don’t mess up or damage the car.
The other tends to be office jobs. My cousin is an engineer he works in a office drawing plans and makes good money.

Most aspies and I’m one are sensitive to sound and shops are full of loud air tools and people banging metal on metal. And we most don’t seem to care for being yelled at and everyone’s yelling at each other.
I’m not fast pace perso. I’m a detail person.
It takes me 5 mins to pull a car into a stall and properly position the mounts(otherwise you damage the car frame and total a car, or worse case it falls off the lift which happens far too much) so 1 I don’t want to damage the car as then I get fired, 2. I’m under the car and don’t want it falling in me.
So along with the above there’s tons of anxiety, I once did a job and then it turned out I got given wrong order which the boss got mad at me about even though it wasn’t my fault, and being an aspie I was like well he was due a oil change soon anyways so isn’t that good, wel no cause now he got a free one.
To do a proper oil change and inspection takes 15-20 mins but they want it done in 5 mins. Corners have to be cut, people are super impatient, as my teacher said people today want to pull their car in and have a total overhaul in 30 mins and be back to work. Repairs take time. Quality takes time.
It’s no wonder tired get on lose, bolts don’t get out back on etc.
and that is why it’s a terrible field for autistics
I wish I’d done a degree in some kind of office job. Maybe then I’d be middle class with a wife and kids :cry:


Like many, I rushed into going to college at a young age, before I had any realistic idea of the working world. I had no knowledge of the demands of the work market and a very poor understanding of my own strengths and weaknesses. So basically I was extremely ill-equipped to make decisions about my education. I ended up with a degree that's completely useless and a mountain of student loan debt, and even after 10 years I still cannot secure a decent job. I would love to go back to school to get a better degree now, but FASFA will only pay for an individual once. I would love the training/education to be either a mechanic or mechanical engineer, but it's too late. I'm screwed.