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29 Nov 2018, 9:38 am

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... I ended up with a degree that's completely useless and a mountain of student loan debt, and even after 10 years I still cannot secure a decent job...
Is it safe to assume that your "useless" degree is not in one of the STEM fields?



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29 Nov 2018, 9:44 am

It's true....there are plenty of "normies" who have difficulty with romance, and with finding lovers.

The Source: My Experience.



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29 Nov 2018, 9:45 am

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Single men get nothing from the government and have to pay to support single mothers andz couple with children living it up on off hard working unwanted single guys.


What the hell? No one is living it up on child support. I'm in the UK, so I only know about benefits in this country.

When i was a kid my Mum collected child support from the post office every Monday. My Dad lived with us. He worked full time, but in a low paid job. She had my little sister to look after and no family nearby to help out.

Child support helped us get by. There were periods where I had shoes that were too small or a coat with a broken zip. We couldn't afford better.

I don't mind paying a little put of my wage towards National Insurance to help people in difficult circumstances.

I have this thing called compassion. If we collectively look after the next generation we help build a better society.


:heart: ^ Thanks, Hurtloam.

Child support never covers half the cost of raising a child. I love your response.


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29 Nov 2018, 9:55 am

Fnord wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
... I ended up with a degree that's completely useless and a mountain of student loan debt, and even after 10 years I still cannot secure a decent job...
Is it safe to assume that your "useless" degree is not in one of the STEM fields?


Any degree which is not STEM is useless nowadays, except law maybe.



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29 Nov 2018, 10:15 am

Law is eminently NOT useless.

Many jobs in the United States require a Bachelor's Degree. Many of these jobs don't ask "in what?" The possession of the degree is the most important requirement.



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29 Nov 2018, 10:21 am

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... Many jobs in the United States require a Bachelor's Degree. Many of these jobs don't ask "in what?" The possession of the degree is the most important requirement.
These jobs are mostly in management or supervisory roles. For line workers and their "bosses" skill and seniority count more.

Personally, I would rather answer to a manager who has a relevant business or STEM degree than someone who wrote their Master's thesis on something like "The Impact of Shakespearean Syntax on Modern Teaching Practices in Private Schools Along the Aleutian Island Chain During the Mid-1830s".

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29 Nov 2018, 10:22 am

Fnord wrote:
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... Many jobs in the United States require a Bachelor's Degree. Many of these jobs don't ask "in what?" The possession of the degree is the most important requirement.
These jobs are mostly in management or supervisory roles. For line workers and their "bosses" skill and seniority count more.

Personally, I would rather answer to a manager who has a relevant business or STEM degree than someone who wrote their Master's thesis on something like "The Impact of Shakespearean Syntax on Modern Teaching Practices in Private Schools Along the Aleutian Island Chain".

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I did very well by my Arts degrees, personally.
The world needs more literacy, research skill and critical thinking. Arts degrees are also useful in Law.

BTW: Do you have a link for that Shakespeare paper? It sounds interesting 8)


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29 Nov 2018, 10:27 am

Fnord wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
... I ended up with a degree that's completely useless and a mountain of student loan debt, and even after 10 years I still cannot secure a decent job...
Is it safe to assume that your "useless" degree is not in one of the STEM fields?


No, it's not a STEM degree. Please reread my entire post for why. I never had anybody to tell me this "you should go into STEM" sh!t until I had already exhausted all the financial aid I qualify for. In fact, I had never even heard the word STEM until several years after I had already graduated from university.



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29 Nov 2018, 10:30 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's true....there are plenty of "normies" who have difficulty with romance, and with finding lovers.

The Source: My Experience.


Am I to assume your experience is peer reviewed?



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29 Nov 2018, 10:33 am

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Fnord wrote:
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... I ended up with a degree that's completely useless and a mountain of student loan debt, and even after 10 years I still cannot secure a decent job...
Is it safe to assume that your "useless" degree is not in one of the STEM fields?
No, it's not a STEM degree. Please reread my entire post for why. I never had anybody to tell me this "you should go into STEM" sh!t until I had already exhausted all the financial aid I qualify for. In fact, I had never even heard the word STEM until several years after I had already graduated from university.
I'm not judging you. A lot of people fell into similar traps. One of my nephews took an A.A. degree at ITT Tech with no knowledge or understanding that the credits would not transfer to a 4-year college. It took him almost 20 years to complete his engineering degree, due to tuition debt, poor job prospects, marriage, and a downturn in the economy.



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29 Nov 2018, 10:33 am

Yeah....by my friends who are my "peers."

It's not good to believe in an ideology of hopelessness. Love and romance is not something which can be quantified or qualified by research studies.



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29 Nov 2018, 1:00 pm

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Yeah....by my friends who are my "peers."

It's not good to believe in an ideology of hopelessness. Love and romance is not something which can be quantified or qualified by research studies.


I was beaten by my father. I was molested and raped multiple times as a child. As an adult, I was in an abusive relationship with a physically disabled woman who isolated me from any social circle outside of her friends and family and often told me about how other women find me repulsive. She gaslighted.

I had gone back to Libya (where my family lives) to find a job after college because the economy was terrible. I was forced to leave due to visa complications without any money or anywhere to go. And when I was at my lowest point she and her friends ganged up on me and called me a worthless lazy bum. She went around spreading lies, saying that I abused her and cheated on her. And everyone believed her lies while nobody believed me when I told the truth. That was 10 years ago, and since then I have struggled to maintain employment and have even been homeless at least seven different times. I have not had a girlfriend at any time during all these years, have had no support from my family who all still live in Libya, no social circle and very few friends. I owe over 65K in student loan debt with no way to pay it.

My hopelessness is not an "ideology", it is my reality.



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29 Nov 2018, 1:07 pm

I do understand the trauma of what you went through. Obviously, I feel bad for what you went through.

I don't mean to minimize what you went through.

In reality, though, it is never hopeless. Many people do rise up from having such things happen to them. it's a documented fact.

I'll give you one such person: Elie Wiesel. He was an inmate in a concentration camp. Those were places where various ethnic groups were placed to do manual labor, and were also places where people were gassed to death. He rose from that experience to be one of the greatest writers of our generation.

If I do a little research, I could give you many more examples.

One has to acknowledge what one went through. And others do, too. I have to acknowledge it, and to respect it.

But....nothing is ever "hopeless."



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29 Nov 2018, 1:12 pm

magnetowasright wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Yeah....by my friends who are my "peers."

It's not good to believe in an ideology of hopelessness. Love and romance is not something which can be quantified or qualified by research studies.


I was beaten by my father. I was molested and raped multiple times as a child. As an adult, I was in an abusive relationship with a physically disabled woman who isolated me from any social circle outside of her friends and family and often told me about how other women find me repulsive. She gaslighted.

I had gone back to Libya (where my family lives) to find a job after college because the economy was terrible. I was forced to leave due to visa complications without any money or anywhere to go. And when I was at my lowest point she and her friends ganged up on me and called me a worthless lazy bum. She went around spreading lies, saying that I abused her and cheated on her. And everyone believed her lies while nobody believed me when I told the truth. That was 10 years ago, and since then I have struggled to maintain employment and have even been homeless at least seven different times. I have not had a girlfriend at any time during all these years, have had no support from my family who all still live in Libya, no social circle and very few friends. I owe over 65K in student loan debt with no way to pay it.

My hopelessness is not an "ideology", it is my reality.


Hugs to magnetowasright :heart:
I've faced somewhat similar from other so-called humans.


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29 Nov 2018, 1:27 pm

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I was beaten by my father. I was molested and raped multiple times as a child. As an adult, I was in an abusive relationship with a physically disabled woman who isolated me from any social circle outside of her friends and family and often told me about how other women find me repulsive. She gaslighted.

I had gone back to Libya (where my family lives) to find a job after college because the economy was terrible. I was forced to leave due to visa complications without any money or anywhere to go. And when I was at my lowest point she and her friends ganged up on me and called me a worthless lazy bum. She went around spreading lies, saying that I abused her and cheated on her. And everyone believed her lies while nobody believed me when I told the truth. That was 10 years ago, and since then I have struggled to maintain employment and have even been homeless at least seven different times. I have not had a girlfriend at any time during all these years, have had no support from my family who all still live in Libya, no social circle and very few friends. I owe over 65K in student loan debt with no way to pay it.

My hopelessness is not an "ideology", it is my reality.
Now I feel chastised. :(

Except for the sexual assault, the part about your ex-wife being disabled (mine was taking anti-psychotic medications, however), and the events of your last 10 years, your history and mine run parallel.

I'm sorry that I added to your grief.

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29 Nov 2018, 1:28 pm

I feel like you are a strong person.

Are you in therapy at this moment, Magneto?

It's not going to be easy. But your situation is not hopeless.

If you have student loan debt, and don't have a job, you can "defer" the debt. This means you don't have to pay up on it for now.