Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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In that case I don't see how the parameters would concern me.

Oh come on, Muslims are not born Muslim. They might grow up in a Muslim household but they have freedom of thought (or should do). You could just as easily say Muslims are that way because of secondary results of families they were born into. As for gay people, I believe nature and nurture factor in, not just nature. As a child, you are not a sexual being, so just like fetishes I believe they develop up to and when you enter adolescence generally, but that's a whole other conversation.

You're 30. Why would older men be taller than you? Do you expect them to keep growing through their 30s?

To be blunt our culture has a big HR problem.

Several hundred years ago we had places for people who either weren't going to be family oriented or couldn't be, ie. monasteries and convents. We threw 'spiritual calling' over our shoulders and put our culture in a place where if you don't make it in finance your odds of being considered anything are really slim.

If we were thinking clearly and looking at either young men who are incels or women who'll be heading into their 50's single and experiencing a lot of the same pain as they age we'd likely be trying to find ways to give their thirst for meaning, value, and esteem viable outlets. For as many permanently single men and women as we're going to have in the near future it's a shame we really haven't thought anywhere as deeply as we should about this.

^ Techstep, monasteries and convents still exist! All the incelibate men and women could join monasteries and convents. Therein they could find the brotherhood that's been lacking in their lives. They'll be around like-minded people who definitely won't make fun of them for not getting laid.

They could find not only peace and happiness being brides and grooms of Christ, they could also find lifelong employment!

atheists and agnostics need not apply

Would you trade sex and relationships to go live in some monestary?

They should make......Gaming monasteries!

The crazy cat ladies and fat/obese women demanding a Hollywood movie star or sports star to jump into their lives are equally as delusional as the forever alone guys demanding their Hollywood actress or super model to jump into their lives. The world is full of delusional people that demand a lot but give nothin in return. Keep buying those lottery tickets and maybe your luck will change. Everything in life comes down to luck, there are attractive people with money still end up unhappy and alone but there are dead beat losers that find happiness in their lives.

^ Most lonely guys I know online have realistic standards , closely equivalent to their own physical appearance; the "forever alone nerdy guy wanting a model" is a common media trope but it's not common in reality.

The assumption of permanently single guys wanting models hence why they are single, is a common bigotry example.

See called it
Too bad I could t have bet on it or I’d made some money.

How exactly are most muslims "born the way they are" (other than in the most tautological sense) in the same way as, say, an ethnic minority? Religion is not inborn.

Most religious people don't choose their religions, they believe in their religion because they were being raised by their parents into this religion.

Nope! I wasn't proposing anyone trade sex and relationships for a monastic life. I was proposing it for those who don't have sex and relationships.

Even so, it's possible to leave a religion you were born into, and many people do so. The same isn't true for ethnic heritage nor sexual preference. I mean, now that veganism is on the path to recieving the same protection afforded to religious belief, does it then make sense to say that some babies are born vegans?

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In my case, despite leaving Islam for more than a decade and half , I will always be seen as a Muslim everywhere unless I explicitly say I am not.