Making Friends with Guys Without Having Them Fall for Me

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04 Jul 2009, 2:31 pm

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Because I am getting the impression that most of you seek for female friendship to get something not related to friendship.

I had 2 female not-so-close friends btw , I never developed this friendship within the "seeking a girlfriend mode" process , otherwise ,as a single guy, I wouldn't be able to view them as friends..


I think it's just that for you exploring sexuality is unrelated to friendship, whereas for others it could be. It doesn't mean there aren't other "models" for a sexual relationship that I'd definitely also like to try.



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04 Jul 2009, 2:54 pm

My friendship with these girls didn't last but for regular life reasons (life changes, end of school , end of university...etc) which are totally unrelated to my desire of getting a sexual partner. In fact, most of my friendships in my life died, even with the males, I was never been good in keeping in touch with lifetime friendships.


What I find it hypocrite is the following attitude:

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I know a guy who would often (not always) stop seeing women who weren't interested in having him as a boyfriend (at the time he talked to me about the topic, I don't know how things are now). His reason for not keeping in touch with a woman who will not become a girlfriend is not that he has no interest in friendship. Often he would enjoy that. His reason is that he really wanted a girlfriend and he has to earn a living. That leaves him limited time for his social life, and he wants to spend more time meeting new people, in the hope of finding a girlfriend. Time spent with women who will not be his girlfriend comes at the expense of time spent meeting someone new. The two are not totally incompatible, but there is a trade-off and finding a girlfriend was just too important to him.

I can really relate to this guy, embarrassingly enough he sounds like me. I've come to differ from him on the nature of the "trade-off", though, because I find that sort of behaviour is ultimately destructive socially, but from time to time I still consider his perspective.


Me too :wink:. I have very little interest in forging friendships that are situational and thus temporary. THAT is why I tend to avoid platonic relationships with women. I actually [b]have[b] a circle of friends and I am happy with the friends that I have and so when it comes to women Im honestly looking for more than friends.


...and 3 guys agree on this attitude , so they have it too. Stop seeing a female friend just because she's not sexually interested in him means that friendship was all along based on a lie , from his part.



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04 Jul 2009, 3:18 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
My friendship with these girls didn't last but for regular life reasons (life changes, end of school , end of university...etc) which are totally unrelated to my desire of getting a sexual partner. In fact, that's the case with most of my friendships, even with the males, I was never been good in keeping in touch with lifetime friendships.


What I find it hypocrite is the following attitude:

Zornslemma wrote:
Hector wrote:
Gromit wrote:
I know a guy who would often (not always) stop seeing women who weren't interested in having him as a boyfriend (at the time he talked to me about the topic, I don't know how things are now). His reason for not keeping in touch with a woman who will not become a girlfriend is not that he has no interest in friendship. Often he would enjoy that. His reason is that he really wanted a girlfriend and he has to earn a living. That leaves him limited time for his social life, and he wants to spend more time meeting new people, in the hope of finding a girlfriend. Time spent with women who will not be his girlfriend comes at the expense of time spent meeting someone new. The two are not totally incompatible, but there is a trade-off and finding a girlfriend was just too important to him.

I can really relate to this guy, embarrassingly enough he sounds like me. I've come to differ from him on the nature of the "trade-off", though, because I find that sort of behaviour is ultimately destructive socially, but from time to time I still consider his perspective.


Me too :wink:. I have very little interest in forging friendships that are situational and thus temporary. THAT is why I tend to avoid platonic relationships with women. I actually [b]have[b] a circle of friends and I am happy with the friends that I have and so when it comes to women Im honestly looking for more than friends.


...and 3 guys agree on this attitude , so they have it too. Stop seeing a female friend just because she's not sexually interested in him means that friendship was all along based on a lie , from his part.


When you get down to it, the need to procreate is my basic motivator for seeking female friendship, I can cover it with something else (I can even believe in that cover) but I can't deny it. Identification is my basic motivator for male friendship, I'll go ahead and agree with LPP, I can't lie to myself on this one.



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04 Jul 2009, 4:42 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
...and 3 guys agree on this attitude , so they have it too. Stop seeing a female friend just because she's not sexually interested in him means that friendship was all along based on a lie , from his part.
Assuming your premises are accurate your conclusion is sound. But how can you extrapolate from three people to "most guys"?



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04 Jul 2009, 4:52 pm

When you get down to it, you can narrow it down to two guys, the guy who does it and the guy who lies about it.



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04 Jul 2009, 5:45 pm

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...and 3 guys agree on this attitude , so they have it too. Stop seeing a female friend just because she's not sexually interested in him means that friendship was all along based on a lie , from his part.
Assuming your premises are accurate your conclusion is sound. But how can you extrapolate from three people to "most guys"?



it's because most guys (who befriend a lot of girls) I knew in real life , hope the same things and hopefully expect something in return from these friendships.

I always found this approach so fake and disturbing.

The 'most' guys include only the single guys btw. Taken guys usually never take such approach.



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04 Jul 2009, 5:58 pm

The basic rule for me is, when I'm in a relationship, I'm more comfortable with women I don't find as attractive as my gf. If the woman is hotter, I'm only going to get tempted and I know better than to take it there. Not to say I can't aquaint, but I definately won't feel comfortable getting closer. I find myself wanting less attractive females for the companionship, but this may cause them to develop feelings for me (as it has in the past) that I don't want to deal with, my defense is to come off as less attractive (or just freeze up as I do in most cases). Either way, this is a basic dynamic in an ideal relationship.

That fantasy of a fling just doesn't work, there isn't a woman I know who wants to give some nice guy the time of his life and send him on his way. For one thing, they lose cool points for sleeping with a nice guy, another thing is that if they find a deeper reson to be attracted to the said nice guy, then she'll want him around for awhile. You also might ask yourself "What kind of nice guy does the wham-bam-thankyou-ma'am"



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05 Jul 2009, 2:51 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
Because I am getting the impression that most of you seek for female friendship to get something not related to friendship.

I had 2 female not-so-close friends btw , I never developed this friendship within the "seeking a girlfriend mode" process , otherwise ,as a single guy, I wouldn't be able to view them as friends..


Why should us guys have to be consistent if women arent? Hmmm?
I personally DO NOT seek out friendships with women with the specific intent of trying to get something more. But IME being up front about your intentions with women does not cut it. The best way to get a girlfriend is to go about it indirectly rather than bluntly asking out every woman you think is cute.



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05 Jul 2009, 3:01 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
it's because most guys (who befriend a lot of girls) I knew in real life , hope the same things and hopefully expect something in return from these friendships.


That is like, sooo unscientific. Any psychologist will be able to tell you why that's a bad idea starting with perception bias.



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05 Jul 2009, 5:14 am

I think your expectations distort your interpretation. Read more carefully.

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What I find it hypocrite is the following attitude:

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His reason for not keeping in touch with a woman who will not become a girlfriend is not that he has no interest in friendship. Often he would enjoy that. His reason is that he really wanted a girlfriend and he has to earn a living. That leaves him limited time for his social life, and he wants to spend more time meeting new people, in the hope of finding a girlfriend. Time spent with women who will not be his girlfriend comes at the expense of time spent meeting someone new. The two are not totally incompatible, but there is a trade-off and finding a girlfriend was just too important to him.

Stop seeing a female friend just because she's not sexually interested in him means that friendship was all along based on a lie , from his part.

The guy never said he pretended he only wanted a friend to hide that he was looking for a girlfriend. It is also not true that he has no interest in friendship with women. Look again at what I marked in bold. It does not mean what you read into it.



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05 Jul 2009, 10:45 am

A few years ago, I was sitting in church and these 2 girls I was aquainted with were complaining about the men in their lives. I don't have to tell you that I was having the same trouble with women. We all made a pact at that point that we weren't going ot bother with the other gender for awhile. The moment I made that pact I felt this vibe that I could have either one of the two, I'm pretty sure something went through their heads too (although I couldn't imagine what). I felt an odd attraction towards one of them (she was much older than me), we had our 3 way friendship and I never wanted to make the trouble (I knew I wasn't going to commit even if they did let me in).

What I did learn was that if you make it worth their while , and they make it worth your while (I have an easier time understanding my feelings now), it won't be a bad thing for you. The advice of this thread is heading in the direction of avoiding friendship all together and I simply think that dealing with loss is a normal part of life and will teach you a lesson every time. So I'm more than willing to get female friends and I'll remember to get it through my head that they don't all want me.



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05 Jul 2009, 6:09 pm

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So basically you all are saying that the desire of MathGirl's heart is something that simply can never be, and that I live in a state of self deceit on a daily basis. That's alright. It's not a show stopper if I cannot convince you. Just because you, and all of your friends and a section from a Hollywood production claims it doesn't exist, that doesn't make it so. But whatever.

MathGirl. I really believe you will eventually find what you are looking for, in spite of the nay Sayers. I wish you the best.


I was just making a joke, willmark. Although most of my male friends are guys I have dated, I do have a few who have no romantic interest in me so I do believe it's possible.

This is frustrating. Though my sense of humor is very dry, and I often use clever visual puns, I repeatedly fail to perceive when another is kidding me, particularly online. And I go off and spend a lot of time coming up with a proper serious response, and I make certain that what I say worded just right, just to discover I made myself look dumb again.



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06 Jul 2009, 4:29 pm

I feel like my looks are a curse. They make me stand out in a way that isn't bad but I attract alot of attention because apparently a cute half-asian girl with freckles seems to be an attractive rarity to alot of guys I befriended. I don't even freaking wear makeup or wash my face half the time and still guys are always approach me. You would think this is good but not for someone like me who has a ton of social anxiety. I had to privatize my facebook profile and remove my pic because a lot of guys I didn't know where contacting me through AIM and I was stupid enough to believe that they would just want to hang out with me :P I was a member of my college anime club. A "cute" asian girl in a club full of guys with an asian fetish...wtf was I thinking?

I don't get along with girls so guys are the only friends I can make. Sadly it is the guys who only approached me to begin with because they were attracted to me. I know which guys I know will be trouble for me when they talk to me constantly about how they're worried about NEVER getting a girlfriend, as if they expect me to fill the void for them. It must be due to the fact that I am asian and therefore they assume I'm this submissive naive girl who will like them cuz they're white. I fell for that a few times but thank god I saw the light. My first boyfriend was a total asian-chick-phile who ended up becoming a psycho. Nerds terrify me for that very reason.