Roissy's 16 Commandments

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Indeed one did.

He was autistic himself.

He seemed cool so we went out on a date. Then he started saying things like 'You need to let me take control' and 'You're a force of nature, you should let me take control of you.' I thought that sounded odd and wasn't sure what to make of it. I guessed that maybe he was just joking.

Then while we were kissing on a hill in private far from the town where anyone might see, he grabbed my wrists and tried to immobilize me. Lucky for me, I am pretty strong for a small female, and he was a lazy computer nerd, so I threw him off without much effort (thank god for my long tendons that attach quite a bit away from my joints. 5'7 girl vs 6'0 guy...NOT good..).

I dumped him. He refused to accept this and wouldn't back off, even coming into my class while I was in college to harass me. He only stopped because I threatened to contact the authorities. He then resorted to saying he was going to commit suicide. My friend told me this was nonsense and he had done this to a number of other girls, threatening to kill himself if they didn't do what he want.

And people wonder why I won't go anywhere without my lock knife.

I don't think Roissy would state his maxims to a woman's face, so that guy wasn't like Roissy. The fact is that guys like Roissy get lots of women, and the best men I have known have all struck out in America.

By the way, do you have body piercing or tattoos? (These things being proof that a woman is worthless.)

Lol. More nonsense. I just love how you state your opinion like it's a thoroughly researched and proven fact.

I'm classed as intellectually gifted, up in the top 2%. Yes, I'm very worthless. Lol.

You may wanna start posting at intensity squared since you are more likely to find someone with similar ideas there.

good story. This is why pick-up material sucks. It teaches the material in the form of empowerment and plays on the frustrations of normally decent guys. Then you get a bunch of idiots like this who have no idea what they're doing. This isn't the kind of guy to watch out for though. You had a run in with a wannabe.

This is how it actually happens:

step 1: you meet a well-groomed, funny, and charming guy just doing what you normally do. He makes you laugh, asks thought provoking questions, and keeps you engaged. Then after a few minutes, he says he has to leave, and asks for your number. (he might text or call you a few times, but only breifly to keep you tantilized)

step 2: He calls you a couple days later and sets up a date and you accept since you had a good connection. You have a great time and it's uncanny how fast you're willing to move with him.

step 3: You eventually have sex (either that night or another date later). Things go well for a while until you realize he doesn't want to commit to you.

The truth is, he's done this many times, and is likely even doing it with other girls at the same time. He's mastered the early stages of dating to an art form. Some guys generate dozens of numbers in a day and have a date for every night of the week.

The tell tale sign you're dealing with a player is DISTANCE. Not the douchebag attitude of ametuers. He'll seem perfect, but you'll eventually notice he is always the first to leave, or end a call, or cancel plans. He only see you at his convenience, and always seems busy. He'll play it off like he's a real cool guy who's always in demand with lots of interests (and sometimes is). However, it just adds up to someone with one foot out the door. Sometimes the girl is in denial that this is what's really going on and it last a lot longer than it should.

The commandments are there, but on an internal, sub-conscious level. Often impossible to see through the charm.

What a pathetic loser.

What kind of lock knife? Cold Steel?

I think the pick up stuff works I just think it does not lead to healthy long term relationships and that lifestyle leaves people feeling empty.

I think some women are quite competative and like a man a bit disinterested in them and like a man who has other women interested in him. I think also they interpret the distance as him being a higher social status than them so want him.

I dont think aspies have the social skills to pull off pua very well though and like I said I think casual sex is empty, lots of the the pua rockers are alcholics and depressed, they are not happy.

This is exactly right. The only change I would make to the above is the last sentence which should read "Often impossible for women to see through the charm." For men, it is obvious what is happening.

Thank you, it looks interesting. But seeing RICKY5 and deadeyexx, there seem to be people here too with similar ideas.

EDIT: After looking over "intensity squared", I think it should be renamed "no intensity". Mostly worthless garbage like this:

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.p ... 112.0.html

In reading a lot of these the author is 100% right. I've learned the lesson in that I fail most often by doing exactly that - tending to playing it straight or not playing enough games or trying to make conflict. It occurs to me that if I wrap all of this in that much play I'll have no idea if what I'm getting is anything close to what I want because I'll lose any touchstones I have to discern that in the process.

This does of course highlight and speak to the point that a lot of us really are single by choice, as in yes - while we'd like to be with someone - for what ever reason we can't find either the motivational desire or moral flexibility to do what we'd need to do in order to make that happen. For as much as I've come to realize that guys like this are right though I have a feeling that I have many more years of my friend jesting me and offering to rip of corners off my 'man card' for not actively approaching every conversation as attempt to get sex or slipping and saying something intelligent when its entirely inappropriate. Anymore my attitude is this - I am who I am, if I somehow come up short for being me - f'it, I'll deal with the consequences because, while I can see myself going half-way to a point I can't see myself bending myself into pretzel knots to fit someone else's definition of who I need to be as a man.

Google "MGTOW". This is what you are expressing.

I don't really know anything about all of that. My problem with the general premise that gets laid out on the table is that we somehow have infinite resources to change based on what would be convenient to us. There are guys who simply don't know this stuff about women but who can then turn around and fix it because it was only lack of knowledge. When its core personality traits putting up a roadblock and the knowledge won't shift your motivational connection to the world around you - you're kind of stuck, and at that point you have to just realize that you can either a) off yourself for being a misfit or b) know what you can change, have the serenity to accept what you can't, and the wisdom to know the difference. I wouldn't endorse a 'masculist' movement of ideology if it was anti-masculinization of men, mainly because for the most part that's exactly what I think is really destroying our culture at present. It just has to be acknowledged though that people have limits and you can't exactly turn an apple into an orange by beating on it. Some people are outfitted to function like this, many never will be in their lifetime.

100 percent agreed.

Let me repeat myself, google "MGTOW". It sure isn't 'masculist' or for anti-masculinization of men.

The question of "can't" or "won't" isn't as a big a division as you imagine. I both can't and won't. Even if I could, I refuse to play these games and conform to a culture that revolts me. Either way puts one in the same position.

Your options (a) and (b) are wrong. You have another option, look for women in other (non-feminist) cultures where women will accept you for who you are.

There is some truth to other cultures. I met two turkish women on vacation...both a 10 on the 10 scale to any red-blooded American man...and both were as friendly as could be despite the language barrier. They understood the general idea of what my brother and I were saying, and they were physically attracted to us (or seemed to be.) Despite them not speaking a lot of English, we exchanged email addresses, and then one of them found us on facebook.

Then you get an American woman who's a 6 on the 10 scale (at least where I live anyway) and if you say hi to her, you'd think you just asked her to borrow 1,000 dollars.

If you think so, then please read my post in your thread.