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Aspiemaybe
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22 Jul 2012, 5:06 am

Heres the best advice I can give you; walk away, keep walking and never look back.
I was in love with an Aspie. I still am. He told me he loved me and then later gave me the same 'I don't know what love is' speech that you were given. He blamed his AS.
We don't talk at all now because I could not accept the pale imitation of a relationship he was offering.
I don't know if AS is truthfully to blame or if he is just a d***. Whatever, I am brokenhearted and lonely, my trust is shattered and I don't know if I will ever recover.
I deserve better and so do you.



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22 Jul 2012, 5:55 pm

@AspieMaybe- we should talk. Check your private messages.



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22 Jul 2012, 8:21 pm

Aspiemaybe wrote:
Heres the best advice I can give you; walk away, keep walking and never look back.
I was in love with an Aspie. I still am. He told me he loved me and then later gave me the same 'I don't know what love is' speech that you were given. He blamed his AS.
We don't talk at all now because I could not accept the pale imitation of a relationship he was offering.
I don't know if AS is truthfully to blame or if he is just a d***. Whatever, I am brokenhearted and lonely, my trust is shattered and I don't know if I will ever recover.
I deserve better and so do you.


I don't know if this guy is your first relationship (your response sounds like this was your first ever heartbreak), but even if he isn't, I'm really sorry to hear that happened to you. You will feel like this with anyone who breaks your heart, but you'll heal with time. The first time I had my heart broken, it took me at least a month to get over it, and I steadily got over it sooner after each successive failed relationship.

You're also welcome to talk to me via a pm too if you have questions, concerns, or simply want to vent. You're among friends here. :)



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22 Jul 2012, 8:25 pm

LoveHim wrote:
"If he also says that using "boyfriend/girlfriend" labels is "cliche", that's a big red flag that says he doesn't realize the importance of your relationship together. If he's willing to have sex with you, but not willing to be a true boyfriend/true girlfriend relationship, then that's a problem because you want it to be more than that. He doesn't seem to want to you in terms of a girlfriend. You two should probably talk this over more thoroughly. Personally, this is not a situation I would allow to happen in any relationship of mine."

I agree with this. He also said he thinks jealousy is ret*d and unrealistic and that he won't date any other women but I can date whoever I want as long as I still spend quality time with him. He says he doesn't believe in ownership or seeing another person as property, therefore, logically, a person is free to do with their heart/soul/body whatever they choose as long as the other person does not get neglected. Of course, this is all hypothetical in his mind because I'm the only lover he has ever had- I'm his first hand hold, first back rub, first kiss, first sex, first love, first break up, first get-back-together, etc... so he has no idea if he would feel a twinge or tidal wave of jealousy if some hypothetical girlfriend wanted to see another guy besides him. It's pretty frustrating. I do know him really well after almost 4 years now of being friends. We've had so many ups and downs. But a few days ago, he said "it's kinda like we are one" and I said ..."yes, and I'm your girlfriend" and he just couldn't connect those two statements.


Like you suspect, I think he's just kidding himself with that foolish idealism that he'll be perfectly ok with you dating other men despite you being his only relationship. Yeah, just wait. You ever start to show signs of wanting someone other than him, and he'll chew you out: that will be the only proof of "ret*d, unrealistic jealousy" that you need.



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22 Jul 2012, 8:32 pm

LoveHim wrote:
"If he also says that using "boyfriend/girlfriend" labels is "cliche", that's a big red flag that says he doesn't realize the importance of your relationship together. If he's willing to have sex with you, but not willing to be a true boyfriend/true girlfriend relationship, then that's a problem because you want it to be more than that. He doesn't seem to want to you in terms of a girlfriend. You two should probably talk this over more thoroughly. Personally, this is not a situation I would allow to happen in any relationship of mine."

I agree with this. He also said he thinks jealousy is ret*d and unrealistic and that he won't date any other women but I can date whoever I want as long as I still spend quality time with him. He says he doesn't believe in ownership or seeing another person as property, therefore, logically, a person is free to do with their heart/soul/body whatever they choose as long as the other person does not get neglected. Of course, this is all hypothetical in his mind because I'm the only lover he has ever had- I'm his first hand hold, first back rub, first kiss, first sex, first love, first break up, first get-back-together, etc... so he has no idea if he would feel a twinge or tidal wave of jealousy if some hypothetical girlfriend wanted to see another guy besides him. It's pretty frustrating. I do know him really well after almost 4 years now of being friends. We've had so many ups and downs. But a few days ago, he said "it's kinda like we are one" and I said ..."yes, and I'm your girlfriend" and he just couldn't connect those two statements.


By the way, think about this line of his carefully: "He also said he thinks jealousy is ret*d and unrealistic and that he won't date any other women but I can date whoever I want as long as I still spend quality time with him. He says he doesn't believe in ownership or seeing another person as property, therefore, logically, a person is free to do with their heart/soul/body whatever they choose as long as the other person does not get neglected."

He's contradicted himself not once, but twice. The bold passages are where his wants for you and his wants for himself don't line up. That to me demonstrates a man simply trying to control a woman, and that's wrong on many levels. Seriously, talk to this guy, or dump him. You probably could find way better.



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23 Jul 2012, 1:55 am

I'm sorry to say this but you need to move on.
He's a big baby who needs a caregiver and you're his safety net.
You keep accepting him after him hurting you and treating you like that so he already knows you wont reject him.
I hope you see the pattern here.



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23 Jul 2012, 5:01 am

I dont mean to sound harsh but:
It sounds like he hasn't found anyone else to have sex with and be kissy kissy with.
He can't bear the idea of you moving on and is trying to cut in and have another turn.
He presents to you a new-relationship he thinks he can handle but is really just the old relationship over again.

Ditch this guy. Listen to Aspiemaybe.



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23 Jul 2012, 9:48 am

LoveHim wrote:
p.s.
the night before he blocked all my access to him, he said we are close, i am closer to him than anyone but he doesn't want to have an emotional attachment. when i gave him some definition of emotional attachment online, he said we are ALL those things- so when i logically deduced we are emotionally attached, he freaked out and said NO, we are just friends, blah blah.

anyway, i really care for him and miss him and miss the sex. i have a bunch of his stuff at my house and i sure miss our sunday bike rides and park outings.

very sad. been calling and trying to convince him to talk to me and tell me all the reasons he wants to end our communication/relationship/friendship whatever it is but i guess he's deleting the calls and not listening ...


Saying the bolded doesn't help really.

Then again, if you are showing everything to him and only just told him you are emotionally attached to him no wonder he's confused.

From the get go you should have told him you want to be emotionally attached to him if you two are/were dating and rarely "assume" with Aspies.

No offence of course but if they are not told this from the start it is very hard to backtrack.


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23 Jul 2012, 11:46 am

JanuaryMan wrote:
I dont mean to sound harsh but:
It sounds like he hasn't found anyone else to have sex with and be kissy kissy with.
He can't bear the idea of you moving on and is trying to cut in and have another turn.
He presents to you a new-relationship he thinks he can handle but is really just the old relationship over again.

Ditch this guy. Listen to Aspiemaybe.



He's a serial exploiter that's unable to have real feelings for people. He just wants sex and treats women as free prostitutes.



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23 Jul 2012, 9:15 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
He seems to me to be a guy who dates women until he gets them into bed and then simply leaves them and forgets them.


He's never been with anyone but me.



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23 Jul 2012, 10:15 pm

LoveHim wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
He seems to me to be a guy who dates women until he gets them into bed and then simply leaves them and forgets them.


He's never been with anyone but me.


Well, then all that means is you're the only one he's had the chance of doing that to.



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24 Jul 2012, 11:02 am

@januaryman-
so you think he's going to repeat this type of relating with me and others in the future? can't people evolve and no longer continue their unwise and/or unkind behavior?

right now, my only "grrrrrrrr" feelings are him not calling during the week to check in and say HI.
he's busy but he's not THAT busy. last week, i didn't hear from him for 6 days between hang outs
but he told me he was thinking about us all week. i have told him for 3.5 years that if he's thinking about me/us, just text and say HI so i know i'm not "out of sight, out of mind" but he hasn't managed to get there yet. we did just have 8 months of no contact so maybe he'll warm up to the idea?

also- JM, if that's your photo, you are very attractive. i'm not flirting. just stating the obvious. hope that makes you smile!



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24 Jul 2012, 11:25 am

People can definitely change, but not many do without a push.
All I have suggested is giving him a push. Others have suggested leaving him (as have I) and that might also work out better for you.
It appears you are both in the same boat of neither of you are willing to make the effort to look for other people, but between you only you are making the effort to stay together. It's just not going to work.

A lot of people come to L&D to vent, seek validation for their feelings, be heard, or get others to side with the poster even though there is nothing they can do to solve the problem simply by taking sides. I'd like to think you aren't any of those things and just want the relationship to work and are seeking advice. Our advice in general seems to be "it won't work, at least not how it works right now". I'd recommend taking a brave step forward in your life by listening and taking onboard what has been said in this topic. It's never easy. I had to let go of someone I like recently because of similar problems..and all I can say is it's for the best.

P.S. Thanks for the compliment :) in real life I do smile a lot I just happened to be very tired when that was taken.



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24 Jul 2012, 11:32 am

JM- why was it for the best to let go of your relationship?



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24 Jul 2012, 11:36 am

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JM- why was it for the best to let go of your relationship?


It was best because they didn't have the same experience yet and weren't willing to adapt or change because they had no reason to change. Everything was being given to them and their opinions remained unchallenged, their wants never went unmet and so forth. I hope to reconcile later in life but for now it really is for the best.

Sometimes people need to make mistakes or lose something before they realise how precious or important things are. He technically never lost you, and has no risk of losing you at this stage. Give him the chance to lose you, make mistakes and not take him back until he's changed. This will force him to move on and get experience which will benefit you. It will also give you time to consider if you really do care for him if he's completely out of the picture and someone else comes along. If you do care for him after a couple of years you can try again and you might both be a better match.



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24 Jul 2012, 11:54 am

This is good advice. We had zero contact for 8 months and prior to that, we had very little contact for 6 months. So basically, we were completely detached from each other for 14 months and hadn't been lovers in 23 months when we hooked up a few weeks ago.