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Ok ok , hale_bopp, we got the message, we atheists are all jerks and hypocrites and you wouldn't touch anyone of us. We are less humans since we have no spirituality.

we Atheists = arrogant jerks.

Fine.


I am atheist, yet I enjoy Christmas songs , Gregorian and Islamic chants, I like some concepts and traditions in Christianity and Islam and Buddhism , does that make me hypocrite?



That reason#1 why I became atheist is because I refused the inhumanity in my inherited religion (Islam) , I rejected many things in the Quran: the ahl al-dhimmah concept , the gender inequality , woman's inferiority , the discrimination against other religions , the superiority tone for the 'believers' , the inferiority tone for the dhimmis and unbelievers , the jihad concept , the jihadist wars done by Mohammad , many of Mohammad's actions....and more.


I became atheist in the process even before understanding the scientific errors in the Qu'ran , it was for humanist reasons why I became atheist in the first place.

And Islam ,as core, isn't really a spiritual religion, so I was not initially spiritual in the first place.

So here we are , I am the supposedly_arrogant atheist with zero spirituality and zero belief in supernaturals yet I see you as my equal regardless of your beliefs ,a human being , while thousands.... maybe even millions of my fellow people of my Islamic community wouldn't think the same, many wouldn't even shake your hand btw, despite their strong belief in god and supernatural.

So who's the arrogant?

I think that's quite an interesting view.

I think Hale was more responding to the arrogance that is often displayed and has been displayed in this thread by atheists towards those who hold religious or spiritual beliefs that they don't.

Grisha's view isn't really surprising, after all , he's culturally-Christian regardless of his level of belief.

I am a culturally-muslim atheist , I am not used to alcohol and it isn't really a part of my life , I clean my ...... lower part's things according to Islamic traditions (the bidet or any source of water or wet tissue then drying ...it), I don't go eating in front of Muslims during the fasting month ,nor I kiss and shake veiled girls' hands (unless if they initiate, yes....it happens)...etc

Habits that are not easy to undo or change.

Quote them.

its strange how we carry on cultural things from our religions upbringing. Ive noticed this since I was a child, I was brought up in a communist atheist household and Ive noticed a big difference in how I view the world from people who were brought up christian or muslim and then became atheists. Ive also noticed a lot of people my age who had very christian parents (jehova and such like) became pagan when they lost their faith, which is interesting as they stopped believing in god but still believed in demons and ghosts etc. Where as I could not conceive of anything beyond what we see as I was taught from a baby that there is nothing else at all.

I like this buddhist teacher called Thich Nhat hanh, as he is a very science based sensible buddhist. He often goes on about how people should go back to the house of worship of their childhood and bring goodness to it (rather than going to buddhist temples) which always makes me lol as I was brought up an athiest so cant go back to anything.

Last edited by lotusblossom on 01 Mar 2011, 5:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.

I don't have time to reread the thread, but if there was none, then I'm probably thinking of another L&D thread that I saw recently. My apologies. They all blur into one after a while.

Atheism based on communism or communism-based atheism is kind of dogmatic , in my opinion.

Communism itself , is a dogma, and this dogma promotes atheism and often communist figures promote hostility against religions .

Not all atheists are communists, but all real communists are ....must be ....atheists.

Communists in communist families are raised to be atheists because of the communist dogma , it's also a kind of brainwashing since birth like in case of religious upbringing.

While atheists like Grisha are atheists by a conscious choice.

Sorry lotus, but I honestly believe that communism always gave a bad reputation/image for atheists.

yes its a funny upbringing, my mum took us to church once and my dad spanked us all when we got home! And to top it off just before he died the sod converted back to catholicism, I was outraged!! !

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I agree,

thats why it makes me lol that Thich Nhat Hanh keeps telling me to go back to it.

Old joke. A guy is driving through Northern Ireland and is stopped by masked gunmen.

They ask "Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?"

He says "I am an atheist".

They say "Ahh... but are you a Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist?"

I am talking about that, but I notice a whole lot of people are getting offended when I didn't even mention names.
I just want to say this - the only athiests I have a problem with are arrogant ones who belittle the beliefs of others. If you are athiest and you don't do this then im not talking about you!

That is interesting. I think it's maybe because the old gods and demons and spirits are a lot more interesting, exciting and accessible than modern abrahamic religion, and seem to allow more freedom and self expression in religion and belief and practice.



Most of the Buddhists are down with science, and modern science (physics in particular) is getting ever more in line with Buddhist cosmology... One of my favourites is a guy called Shinzen Young, he's very inspiring. The Dalia Lama is big on science too.

LOL, sounds like a joke that could be applied to Lebanese also (Christian/Muslim). The_Face_of_Boo would know how funny that would be.

Anyway, I've realized one thing about girls who don't like atheists. Just BS them and tell them you believe there's something cosmologically grand out there that could have caused this universe to exist. To them, that would be a belief in God.

Some of the atheists I know believe in this vaguely 'spiritual' idea that the whole universe is conscious to varying degrees. I believe some people are calling it 'cosmosism'.

I couldn't do that. I know it's only a blurred lie, but I could never keep up the pretense. Sooner or later I'd be unmasked. And the girl has a right to know what she's getting involved with. Really there's nothing wrong with somebody rejecting you for not matching up to their wish list. It gives you more time to find people who are closer to your own wavelength.

If I were dating again, I might find myself keeping quiet about stuff that could put them off, but I'd always feel uncomfortable about that, and disappointed with myself. If it happened, it would happen because I don't trust my ability to explain thorny issues at the drop of a hat. I'd probably want to explain, but I'd put it off to give me a chance to choose the right words, and if I were weak then it might never get said.