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18 Jul 2011, 7:02 pm

no need for prostitutes.

just get a few slu*ty friends.

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18 Jul 2011, 7:14 pm

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Yes, I agree with that, however, the issue related to "need" in this case seems more like psychological need (which to me it becomes that) and also societal need. Usually a point being made which I have heard is a survival problem regarding elders, such as the point oftenly made, "who will take care of you when you get older"?

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Everything else is optional or can be worked around.

Yes, and that is pretty much the issue with prostitutes, as that is a way to work around the desire (or psychological need if you like) of a relationship.

Well, if you took care of yourself well, you won't need to rely on anyone else when you're older. I had relatives who worked and were self-sufficient until they died. Not everyone is helpless when they're old.

The kinds of guys who would go to a prostitute probably don't want a normal relationship to begin with. I'm picturing misogynists who need to get off and are tired of their hand. Random sex isn't worth it. Especially with a prostitute who probably has a very loose vagina and/or STDs. Condoms can't prevent everything.

Minervx - Is it really that hard to view women as fellow humans and not as sexual objects to be paid for admission? Sure, just take advantage of your friends for sex just because she may have underlying psychological issues or has a sex addiction or something. Who cares about their feelings as long as men can just borrow their vagina for 15 minutes? :/

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18 Jul 2011, 7:31 pm

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The kinds of guys who would go to a prostitute probably don't want a normal relationship to begin with.

Quoting you: "Not everyone.", as well "circumstances".

You are replying to someone who dreamed about having a normal relationship and all that, eventually giving up.

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Random sex isn't worth it.

I wonder, isn't worth for what?

A part from the sexual release, it can also be an emotional release, as that was my case. Visiting prostitutes for some guys is the closest thing, they feel, is to have a romantic relationship, they pretty much would be aware that it isn't in reality, but they also think that is better than nothing and that the closest it appears to get is fine, and they can fantasize.

(ie girlfriend experience)

I'm not saying everyone is like that, but that was my case, and pretty much that would be the case of other men.

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Condoms can't prevent everything.

True.

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Who cares about their feelings as long as men can just borrow their vagina for 15 minutes? :/

Only their vagina?

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18 Jul 2011, 7:34 pm

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A part from the sexual release, it can also be an emotional release, as that was my case.

Have a cry. It's cheaper.

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18 Jul 2011, 7:39 pm

blunnet wrote:

Erisad wrote:

The kinds of guys who would go to a prostitute probably don't want a normal relationship to begin with.

Quoting you: "Not everyone.", as well "circumstances".

You are replying to someone who dreamed about having a normal relationship and all that, eventually giving up.

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Random sex isn't worth it.

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Condoms can't prevent everything.

True.

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Who cares about their feelings as long as men can just borrow their vagina for 15 minutes? :/

Only their vagina?

I don't understand people who just "give up." I do understand those who put love on the back burner and focus on other areas of their life to improve themselves as an independent person. It's not giving up, it's shifting focus. Killing time until you are ready for the right person.

I'm sorry but the second part is just sad. Is there really no other way of getting an emotional release apart from paying a prostitute? Mediation, crying, exercising, can be both physically and emotionally satisfying.

...I just picked the vagina because it seems to be a fan favorite. Although I don't see why. They look like something out of an H.P. Lovecraft novel. :/

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18 Jul 2011, 7:41 pm

Erisad wrote:

The kinds of guys who would go to a prostitute probably don't want a normal relationship to begin with. I'm picturing misogynists who need to get off and are tired of their hand.

Then you're picturing wrong.

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a prostitute who probably has a very loose vagina

There are muscles in there that can be excercised. The exercises are called kegels.

The loose vagina thing is a myth.

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Minervx - Is it really that hard to view women as fellow humans and not as sexual objects to be paid for admission?

That seems a little too harsh.

It is entirely possible to look at women in a very sexual light without forgetting that they're people.

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18 Jul 2011, 7:48 pm

Ancalagon wrote:

Erisad wrote:

The kinds of guys who would go to a prostitute probably don't want a normal relationship to begin with. I'm picturing misogynists who need to get off and are tired of their hand.

Then you're picturing wrong.

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a prostitute who probably has a very loose vagina

There are muscles in there that can be excercised. The exercises are called kegels.

The loose vagina thing is a myth.

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Minervx - Is it really that hard to view women as fellow humans and not as sexual objects to be paid for admission?

That seems a little too harsh.

It is entirely possible to look at women in a very sexual light without forgetting that they're people.

Then how can you possibly pay a hooker and still respect women? You can't. You're saying, "hey, I only want you for sex because I don't value you as a human being based on your profession and genetalia. Here's the money to make sure that you leave after we're done."

So your vagina won't get stretched over time? Drat. Hope I don't marry a man that's phallically endowed. >.<

Not in the way he said it. He said that getting slu*ty friends are better than prostitutes because not only do they give you sex but you don't have to pay them. That's even worse. Lying and pretending to be friends with someone just because they are likely to put out is cruel. "No, I never really appreciated your friendship at all. I just wanted to do you. Now that it's done, never call me again." :/

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18 Jul 2011, 8:03 pm

Erisad wrote:

Ancalagon wrote:

Erisad wrote:

The kinds of guys who would go to a prostitute probably don't want a normal relationship to begin with. I'm picturing misogynists who need to get off and are tired of their hand.

Then you're picturing wrong.

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a prostitute who probably has a very loose vagina

There are muscles in there that can be excercised. The exercises are called kegels. The loose vagina thing is a myth.

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Minervx - Is it really that hard to view women as fellow humans and not as sexual objects to be paid for admission?

That seems a little too harsh.

It is entirely possible to look at women in a very sexual light without forgetting that they're people.

At least one woman knows that...

I am surprised...

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18 Jul 2011, 8:07 pm

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Have a cry. It's cheaper.

Yes, but the prostitute's breasts were more comforting than my pillow and they smelled nice.

Erisad wrote:

I don't understand people who just "give up."

well, if someone doesn't like you and they demonstrate to you very well that they don't like you (not much in a pleasent way) you stop pestering them anymore, don't you?

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I do understand those who put love on the back burner and focus on other areas of their life to improve themselves as an independent person. It's not giving up, it's shifting focus.

Shifting focus, well yeah, practically, giving up means shifting focus towards other things anyway. As by giving up I mean, to stop trying, to stop focusing on something you are not able to get, to stop wasting time and moving on with something else.

And well, if I happened to find something easier, thanks to peers pressuring me about losing my virginity, by paying me a prostitute, I have to thank them for that part in the end, as that was practically an easier way to get around the "need".

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Killing time until you are ready for the right person.

well, that is what I am doing it anyway, wether the right person exists is another question though.

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People cop-out differently, I did what I did, other men can do the other things you suggest.

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18 Jul 2011, 8:10 pm

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People cop-out differently, I did what I did, other men can do the other things you suggest.

those other ways of opting out do not victimise other human beings.

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18 Jul 2011, 8:12 pm

blunnet wrote:

A part from the sexual release, it can also be an emotional release, as that was my case.

I get that. I had similar feelings about the strippers in the strip clubs that I used to go to all the time.

I don't think strippers or hookers are a good general solution to the problem in the long term, but I do see why people would want to visit them.

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Have a cry. It's cheaper.

It's also something men have been programmed and indoctrinated to never do. Some people can't just flip a switch, bawl their eyes out, flip it back, and be happy.

Also, I've never cried in such a way that the world seems a wonderful place afterwards.

Erisad wrote:

Crying I've already deat with. Meditation is something I've never done, but it seems to be more a calming thing than an emotional release. Exercising is generally uncomfortable.

I think the kind of emotional release we're talking about is specifically sexual.

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...I just picked the vagina because it seems to be a fan favorite. Although I don't see why. They look like something out of an H.P. Lovecraft novel. :/

No, if they looked like something out of an H.P. Lovecraft novel, they'd have demon eyes, sharp teeth, and lots of tentacles, and you really, really, would not want to have sex with them.

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18 Jul 2011, 8:15 pm

blunnet wrote:

Erisad wrote:

I don't understand people who just "give up."

well, if someone doesn't like you and they demonstrate to you very well that they don't like you (not much in a pleasent way) you stop pestering them anymore, don't you?

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I do understand those who put love on the back burner and focus on other areas of their life to improve themselves as an independent person. It's not giving up, it's shifting focus.

That's not what I meant. That's just a way to avoid a lawsuit. I meant people who give up on love and life completely just because they had a bad experience or none at all.

You can shift focus without giving up completely.

...are some men really that crippled without sex? It's like they're worried that their dicks will fall off. They should save their hooker money and give it to a psychologist instead. :/

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18 Jul 2011, 8:16 pm

Gotta love the internet, where the virgins know the most about sex, and the people who have the least experience with the other sex know the most about them. Have fun with your stifling preconceptions!

Stop hating on the sex workers, too. Testing of prostitutes in the Netherlands found they have the same rate of STIs as the general population. Legal or classy escorts will always insist on a condom, it's just common sense. The only promiscuous people who don't insist on one probably have some sort of death wish.

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18 Jul 2011, 8:23 pm

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Huh, never had any emotional release (or any release) with sex. That seems to be a priviledge for the men in my life I guess. They are all euphoric and I just feel the need for a shower. :/

jrjones9933 - Yeah but not all prostitutes are in the Netherlands. A lot of them are forced into prostitution, their clients force them to have sex without a condom or they won't pay them and they sometimes are managed by some jackass who takes most of what they earned as if he did all the f*****g work. It's glorfied rape. So yeah, when you are seeing a prostitute, she doesn't want to have sex with you but is most likely forced to under horrible circumstances so have fun raping a victim of sex trafficking.

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18 Jul 2011, 8:32 pm

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That's not what I meant. That's just a way to avoid a lawsuit.

What I mean is constant rejection and in some cases not in a nicer way, there have being few women who have been nice about it.

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I meant people who give up on love and life completely just because they had a bad experience or none at all.

I feel that I have given up as I haven't tried for several years, and I am not interested in one, for the time being, given that I have gotten around that in other ways, I may get into a relationship in the future, I don't know, but the odds don't seem to favor me.

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You can shift focus without giving up completely.

True.

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...are some men really that crippled without sex?

I already told you that in my case, that was an alternative to a romantic relationship, something that I felt it was closed to. Second, to gain experience, wanting to know how it feels to be with a woman, at least once in a lifetime, was that I felt at the time. Third: I wanted to get rid of the social stigma of being a virgin at the time.

Does that sound pathetic and sad? Yes, it probably does, but with giving up, it also goes along to stop caring what people think.

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It's like they're worried that their dicks will fall off.

That doesn't make sense.

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18 Jul 2011, 8:38 pm

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Then how can you possibly pay a hooker and still respect women? You can't. You're saying.....................

This is a subject of differing opinions, you are demonstrating yours and others disagree, and I won't get into it more than this.

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