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08 May 2012, 2:56 pm

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Say you are about to approach someone and you start thinking about their possible reactions, you have to consider if some of this possibilities are logical and how many times have you seen those happen before assuming the worst situation is going to happen.


For me putting this extra analysis on top of my already quite analytical attitude in such situations would only make me stutter more. I used to do those scenario tests extensively though.

What helps me, and seems to be going good so far is reducing the analysis and only when there is no more flow (which can be alot, depends) I think of something that is hopefully related to the previous lines. What makes it save the disaster is putting new arrows in that line. Mentioning things that the recipient can react to.
I find that it can even have 0% correlation with last line and still be happily accepted and continued upon.

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On my first car, it was more a matter of keeping oil in it, as it would leak it faster then the engine could soil it. It made beautiful blue mineral trails.
Have not yet found a supplement that creates purple, alas :(

After that blue period I learnt about the different types of oil.
My food preference is organics, but this inclination does not extend to the lubricant zone.
Querying my female intuition gave me "fully synthetic" and I stick to that.

I love staring at the translucency of the fresh fully synth stuff.
I wonder what cerebrospinal fluid is like in this regard?
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08 May 2012, 8:47 pm

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I dunno, I am from Mars.


That was witty.



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08 May 2012, 11:08 pm

Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Oh, and the answer is...

-drum roll-

If you can't initiate a casual conversation with somebody you are interested in, then chances are you couldn't maintain a relationship with the person either. Practice makes perfect. Make the effort to place yourself in situations where you have the opportunity to initiate casual conversation with strangers for no other reason than to be social. Do so within your comfort limits. Push those limits a little at a time. Then use the skills that you have developed through application of effort to approach people you would like to converse with regularly, if the opportunity presents itself. Go get 'em tigers :)

See? Quite simple really...
Mmmm,wouldn't you say that may depend on the circumstances?.I was at the grocery store today and saw a woman I would have liked to get to know but approaching a random stranger at a grocery store is not an easy thing to do for even an extroverted person, let alone someone with AS..



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08 May 2012, 11:31 pm

bruinsy33 wrote:
Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Oh, and the answer is...

-drum roll-

If you can't initiate a casual conversation with somebody you are interested in, then chances are you couldn't maintain a relationship with the person either. Practice makes perfect. Make the effort to place yourself in situations where you have the opportunity to initiate casual conversation with strangers for no other reason than to be social. Do so within your comfort limits. Push those limits a little at a time. Then use the skills that you have developed through application of effort to approach people you would like to converse with regularly, if the opportunity presents itself. Go get 'em tigers :)

See? Quite simple really...
Mmmm,wouldn't you say that may depend on the circumstances?.I was at the grocery store today and saw a woman I would have liked to get to know but approaching a random stranger at a grocery store is not an easy thing to do for even an extroverted person, let alone someone with AS..


It's easy for me. But, it's also socially dumb. The problem with the advice of "oh just go out and be more outgoing" is it doesn't solve the problems in your social interaction. I mean you can learn of them by doing that, sure, but you can be outgoing, but still be more or less a social idiot, as it seems to be the case with me.



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08 May 2012, 11:37 pm

bruinsy33 wrote:
Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Oh, and the answer is...

-drum roll-

If you can't initiate a casual conversation with somebody you are interested in, then chances are you couldn't maintain a relationship with the person either. Practice makes perfect. Make the effort to place yourself in situations where you have the opportunity to initiate casual conversation with strangers for no other reason than to be social. Do so within your comfort limits. Push those limits a little at a time. Then use the skills that you have developed through application of effort to approach people you would like to converse with regularly, if the opportunity presents itself. Go get 'em tigers :)

See? Quite simple really...
Mmmm,wouldn't you say that may depend on the circumstances?.I was at the grocery store today and saw a woman I would have liked to get to know but approaching a random stranger at a grocery store is not an easy thing to do for even an extroverted person, let alone someone with AS..


Well what about her made you want to get to know her? It does help in having conversation if you know something more about a person than liking their boobies.
If there is something besides appearance that yo find interesting about someone, that is a decent place to start conversation.


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09 May 2012, 1:19 am

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I'm still stuck with the same problem I've had for as far back as my memory goes: having no freaking clue how to approach and talk to a woman that looks interesting. Even on OKC, I still can't bring myself to message a total stranger. Whoever came up with this social standard that guys had to be the ones to initiate the conversation first should be taken out back and shot.

Does anyone have any (and I do mean ANY) suggestions as to how to approach someone? I guess I'm willing to limit suggestions to online ideas since there's no way in hell I'll meet a woman in public, but I'll take any advice I can get.


Unfortunately, I have the same problem...

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How would you start a conversation with a man? That could be a starting point for thinking about your approach.


So "Did you watch the formula 1 race yesterday?" or "What supplements do you recommend for optimal muscle growth?" are adequate ways to get a girl's attention?

Uh huh... while I'm not into the muscle growth stuff, I do follow the F1 championship... and I doubt many women do either of those.

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Case in point. Most ways guys start convos are things most women will not care for. And are also things that would not make you come across as someone interested and rather some anoying passerby.

True, true. Things I can talk about with other guys even without knowing them (jumping into the conversation, usually): politics; cars; airplanes; weapons; World War 2; action movies; crime; dirty jokes... I doubt most women would react positively to any of those subjects.

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Really, cause most guys in my life are into comic books and horror movies. Most girls in my life are into those things too.

That's a whole different crowd. I know some people who are into that sort of thing, but I'm not. And they aren't into much else... they even see themselves as freaks.

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If you were interested in making a new male friend would you open with a barrage of your ow interests or maybe make a comment on something you know you have in common or the potential friend is interested in.

Read the profile, talk about the common interest that prompted you to message her.
If you're only interested in her picture, and can't find anything on her profile you can talk about, just don't.

I think the OP is talking about starting a conversation IRL, not online...

Kurgan wrote:
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If they mention those interest on their profile, sure.
Not all men are into those things either.
If he has no interests in common with her he shouldn't be concerned about approaching her at all.


Most men have few interests in common with their significant others, apart from a few key interests. Very few women are interested in soccer, cars, muscle building or video games, but most men are interested in one of these examples.

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Take a look at all the girls who are interested in Twillight and Zumba fitness or all the men who are interested in NFL and restoring old sports cars. Do you seriously think that most interests need to clash to make a successful relationship? Spouses should have some differences and should IMHO appreciate the difference between the genders.


I agree here, men and women don't need to have just common interests, they should have compatible interests. I would find a woman who's into the same things as I really boring... I'd like to hear her talk about something different, but which I can find interesting. And vice-versa.

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Girls some times do what guys like to do. Guys some times like to do what girls like to do. So just talk to them as a person and mot as a sex it's really that simple.


The key is finding what the person likes. Is it so evil to have a basis on what to look for?

That's definitely the first thing to look for... information about the other person's likes and dislikes. Then you relize if it's worth starting a conversation in the first place.



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09 May 2012, 1:21 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I dunno, I am from Mars.


That was witty.

And here I thought he was from the Boeshane Peninsula...
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09 May 2012, 1:26 am

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Well what about her made you want to get to know her? It does help in having conversation if you know something more about a person than liking their boobies.
If there is something besides appearance that yo find interesting about someone, that is a decent place to start conversation.

The thing is, the first thing you'll experience is physical attraction. That will make you want to find out more information about that person, which is the second step. If you find out she isn't a total airhead, that will lead to wanting to engage in conversation, to see what happens.



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09 May 2012, 1:32 am

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spongy wrote:
Say you are about to approach someone and you start thinking about their possible reactions, you have to consider if some of this possibilities are logical and how many times have you seen those happen before assuming the worst situation is going to happen.


For me putting this extra analysis on top of my already quite analytical attitude in such situations would only make me stutter more. I used to do those scenario tests extensively though.

What helps me, and seems to be going good so far is reducing the analysis and only when there is no more flow (which can be alot, depends) I think of something that is hopefully related to the previous lines. What makes it save the disaster is putting new arrows in that line. Mentioning things that the recipient can react to.
I find that it can even have 0% correlation with last line and still be happily accepted and continued upon.


Im glad to see that you found something that works for you.

I understand that this whole thinking about the possibilities may not work for everyone but its what worked for me and it took me a while to come across that sort of thing so I thought Id put it out there in case anyone else can benefit from it as well.



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09 May 2012, 2:06 am

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Well what about her made you want to get to know her? It does help in having conversation if you know something more about a person than liking their boobies.
If there is something besides appearance that yo find interesting about someone, that is a decent place to start conversation.

The thing is, the first thing you'll experience is physical attraction. That will make you want to find out more information about that person, which is the second step. If you find out she isn't a total airhead, that will lead to wanting to engage in conversation, to see what happens.


OP explicitly stated he was interested in tips for online communication.
It's not the first thing *I* experience though I know for some people it is.
Talking to (accosting) random strangers in public because you like they way they look is going to be a difficult social strategy. That's appropriate for a bar or club, not so much the grocery store/bus stop/post office.
Special interest groups/activities/etc. a good environments because there are built in conversation topics and you know off the bat you have something in common. I know a lot of people meet dates through friends/mutual acquaintance, spending time with a friend around their other friends can be a good place because it's a casual social environment.

Addressing your "whole different crowd/freaks" comment. I was using that as an example of men and women having monolithic common interests respective to their genders which is a false assertion. Are there some interests that of the people who enjoy them the majority are men yes, are there some interests that of the people who enjoy them the majority are women, yes. That does not equate to most men having some interests and most women having other interests with little over lap. So every "but would a woman like [insert thing with majority male followers] is setting up a false dichotomy.
Which by the way is in the service of 'disproving' a comment I made the point of which was approach a potential new female acquaintance just like you might approach a potential new male acquaintance, *from a point of common interest* It as meant to dispel any particular fear about conversation with women, because really we're not all that different.

*sidenote, The Avergers just had one of the highest grossing opening weekends of all time, comics are not a fringe interest anymore.


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09 May 2012, 3:35 am

If it's just online it shouldn't be too hard. On something like OKC just send them a message along the lines of "Hi, I'm so and so, blah blah blah, I found your profile interesting. I think it's really neat that you..." something along those lines. When they're already online the odds of being flattered rather than creeped out are more in your favor.

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Women aren't any more/less complicated then men. If you can talk to men, you can talk to women.


I'm going to take issue with this statement here. Some of the people who have argued that women are different to talk to are right but they took issue with the wrong part.

The arguing I have seen so far is about some silly theory that you should only talk to men about sports, cars, or viagra and that you should only talk to women about knitting, kittens and kitchenware. Or some s**t like that. Most conversational topics are perfectly acceptable to both sexes, the main exception I could think of is lewd talk about what you find physically attractive in the opposite sex.

What makes talking to women different isn't so much the verbal part of talking, it is the non verbal part where most problems lie and unfortunately also consists of most human communication.

Generally, women are more serious about eye contact. Some aspie girls may be different but this is generally true. I always have a hard time talking with other people because I have to put in a lot of energy to try to keep eye contact. It's hard to do eye contact right, because you're also not supposed to just stare into their eyes. When talking with women this is compounded even further by another factor, boobs, especially if they dress slu*ty.

So when talking with women I not only have to keep track of eye contact I also have to make sure not to look down. I'm rather tall as well, which makes this even worse because I pretty much always have to look down just to get eye contact. In general guys are taller than girls so this problem is frequently compounded. Using all that energy on posture, eye contact, avoiding staring at the knockers, etc. my mind then won't be ready to focus on what to talk about and bam, short awkward conversation. If you have nonverbal body language issues talking to women is a f*****g nightmare, talking to anyone isn't easy but it would make sense that women are usually the harder sex to talk to for an AS guy.


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09 May 2012, 4:44 am

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If it's just online it shouldn't be too hard. On something like OKC just send them a message along the lines of "Hi, I'm so and so, blah blah blah, I found your profile interesting. I think it's really neat that you..." something along those lines. When they're already online the odds of being flattered rather than creeped out are more in your favor.

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Women aren't any more/less complicated then men. If you can talk to men, you can talk to women.


I'm going to take issue with this statement here. Some of the people who have argued that women are different to talk to are right but they took issue with the wrong part.

The arguing I have seen so far is about some silly theory that you should only talk to men about sports, cars, or viagra and that you should only talk to women about knitting, kittens and kitchenware. Or some sh** like that. Most conversational topics are perfectly acceptable to both sexes, the main exception I could think of is lewd talk about what you find physically attractive in the opposite sex.

What makes talking to women different isn't so much the verbal part of talking, it is the non verbal part where most problems lie and unfortunately also consists of most human communication.

Generally, women are more serious about eye contact. Some aspie girls may be different but this is generally true. I always have a hard time talking with other people because I have to put in a lot of energy to try to keep eye contact. It's hard to do eye contact right, because you're also not supposed to just stare into their eyes. When talking with women this is compounded even further by another factor, boobs, especially if they dress slu*ty.

So when talking with women I not only have to keep track of eye contact I also have to make sure not to look down. I'm rather tall as well, which makes this even worse because I pretty much always have to look down just to get eye contact. In general guys are taller than girls so this problem is frequently compounded. Using all that energy on posture, eye contact, avoiding staring at the knockers, etc. my mind then won't be ready to focus on what to talk about and bam, short awkward conversation. If you have nonverbal body language issues talking to women is a f***ing nightmare, talking to anyone isn't easy but it would make sense that women are usually the harder sex to talk to for an AS guy.


I know you mean "revealing" there, not "slu*ty" (unless her clothes are running around having a quantity of sex that some 3rd party deems too much according to an arbitrary standard). So I'm going to let it go
I'm pretty tall too (just under 6ft, well tall for a woman at least), I'm familiar with the uncomfortable hunch that often comes with talking to shorter people.
Are you saying it's hard to avoid being accused of leering at breasts if you lack eye contact even if you're just looking down or are you saying you have a hard time not staring directly at a woman's boobs during conversation? The 2nd is only okay if you're pubescent.

I don't think it's helpful to alleviating anxiety around communication with women to say that it's harder.
I respect that you've had that experience with eye contact and I find it interesting.
I haven't had that experience I find in general women are more accepting of my 'difference' but I'm rarely read as a potential threat while strange men sometimes are. I also think men have a different expectation of me than they would of you.
I would agree that it can be harder to focus on conversation when talking to someone I'm attracted to (man/woman/other). But I'm not attracted to everywoman, everyman, everyperson.

I just think it's important to note that if someone experiences extra difficulty with women it's because of a specific issue they have to deal with, not because women are on the whole "more difficult" people than men.


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09 May 2012, 11:01 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
bruinsy33 wrote:
Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Oh, and the answer is...

-drum roll-

If you can't initiate a casual conversation with somebody you are interested in, then chances are you couldn't maintain a relationship with the person either. Practice makes perfect. Make the effort to place yourself in situations where you have the opportunity to initiate casual conversation with strangers for no other reason than to be social. Do so within your comfort limits. Push those limits a little at a time. Then use the skills that you have developed through application of effort to approach people you would like to converse with regularly, if the opportunity presents itself. Go get 'em tigers :)

See? Quite simple really...
Mmmm,wouldn't you say that may depend on the circumstances?.I was at the grocery store today and saw a woman I would have liked to get to know but approaching a random stranger at a grocery store is not an easy thing to do for even an extroverted person, let alone someone with AS..


Well what about her made you want to get to know her? It does help in having conversation if you know something more about a person than liking their boobies.
If there is something besides appearance that yo find interesting about someone, that is a decent place to start conversation.
Let's say for the sake of argument I was attracted to something about her besides her appearance,what next? The setting [a cold approach in a grocery store] was a terrible place for someone who is socially awkward.



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09 May 2012, 11:18 am

Then talk about that thing. If it's in an appropriate context to approach someone. You can't go around bugging women trying to go about their business.


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09 May 2012, 11:27 am

bruinsy33 wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
bruinsy33 wrote:
Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Oh, and the answer is...

-drum roll-

If you can't initiate a casual conversation with somebody you are interested in, then chances are you couldn't maintain a relationship with the person either. Practice makes perfect. Make the effort to place yourself in situations where you have the opportunity to initiate casual conversation with strangers for no other reason than to be social. Do so within your comfort limits. Push those limits a little at a time. Then use the skills that you have developed through application of effort to approach people you would like to converse with regularly, if the opportunity presents itself. Go get 'em tigers :)

See? Quite simple really...
Mmmm,wouldn't you say that may depend on the circumstances?.I was at the grocery store today and saw a woman I would have liked to get to know but approaching a random stranger at a grocery store is not an easy thing to do for even an extroverted person, let alone someone with AS..


Well what about her made you want to get to know her? It does help in having conversation if you know something more about a person than liking their boobies.
If there is something besides appearance that yo find interesting about someone, that is a decent place to start conversation.
Let's say for the sake of argument I was attracted to something about her besides her appearance,what next? The setting [a cold approach in a grocery store] was a terrible place for someone who is socially awkward.

If we go by what PUA dictates you should try to stablish some sort of conversation of any kind and pay attention to how she replies.
Lets say that you are at the cleaning section you can say:
-Hey do you have any idea whats a good product for cleaning floors?. I usually just pick the cheapest one/insert whatever you choose but a friend walked into my house the other day and he said it smelled odd so Im trying to find a new one(as you can see I fail at making this sort of conversations but thats basically because I never tried and you are meant to improve time after time).
You have to pay attention to how willing the other person is to help you and if they seem to be very receptive you can try to move on to something else.

A member here once said that she had a male asking her the directions to get: meat,bread, sausages.... in different questions. After he saw she wasnt bothered by his intrusion he told her that he was planing to do a barbaque at x place and she was more than welcome to go/bring a friend along.

I understand that you probably wont be able to do anything like that(I wouldnt be able to either) but maybe you can try to move the conversation to some sort of "do you live around here, you seem like a cool person". Its what Ive been trying to do(off supermarkets) and they may reply that you seem cool too and maybe you should meet blah, blah,blah.

Honestly tough supermarkets? We dont you start with something easier like trying to meet people from some sort of group about something you like in a one-on-one meeting. You have more chance to make a friend this way rather than a partner but I think that getting to know a female as a friend could really help you and once you are over this whole I cant talk to women mentality you may try to start a conversation with one at a supermarket.



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09 May 2012, 11:59 am

I've always wondered the same question, though I'm surrounded by women in my family right now.

It's hard for me to talk to a woman around my age without risking getting too close or starting things off too soon...

I've had experiences like that before...some of them right here on WP.


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