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20 Sep 2016, 10:02 am

The Cursed Earth of Judge Dredd fame describes my love life perfectly: A barren nuclear wasteland populated with mutants and psychos.


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20 Sep 2016, 11:26 am

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The friendzone is a myth, in a way.

You can not make someone attracted to you if they are not.

In my experiences first impressions count and plenty of N.T.'s have reported anecdotally that they pretty much decide their opinion of someone 'within the first few seconds of meeting them' and whether or not this person would ever get into their pants.

I do this too.

I think it is biologically inherent and we all instantly sub-conciously analyze and size ourselves up to others.

If someone isn't attracted to you and only wants to be your friend from the get-go, there's no chance.

At best you can AVOID the friendzone by expressing your mutual interest in someone that is ALREADY attracted to you, first.

It is also in my experiences attraction can fade - you can lose interest in someone overtime and/or if your feelings aren't reciprocated.

So, yeah, it's still possible to 'end up' in the 'friendzone', as it's happened to me - people who were even slightly interested back and would have given me a chance had they been single or other reasons now can not be attracted to me.


There are studies that echo the "within seconds" things

If it's true, then it's all about the looks then - the only thing you can learn about someone within few seconds is the looks.
No wonder why tinder succeeded that much.



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20 Sep 2016, 7:20 pm

Yes, you could be friends with a girl to use that friendship to network to other girls (or the same from opposite sexual side or orientations). However, you might give the appearance of a gay or beta wimpy male. [excuse me if this sounds abusive] And she might inform her friends as such, she might even say she think's you're gay (neurotypicals make wrong assumptions, and make up lies all the time).
Even if this guy has a girlfriend, that's fine. This can be for others who wish to avoid being relegated to the friendzone.
Often it is good to try for being the confident masculine type, opposites attract. But, perhaps you could go for the Michael J. Fox style, that is also valid (being funny is difficult). And by no means should you settle for a particular pigeon hole. Change up your style and look. Perhaps get into a sport, yoga, dancing. If can be difficult to tell what works, until suddenly one day you might hit the jackpot!
I for one never grew a beard, and kept my hair short back and sides. I didn't feel confident about growing a beard it was a little orangey. But heck, once I did, it was fine, and my hair sure looks better with a little length. (if you've seen that pic, please don't - I look bad there [damn, go look now I know everyone will LOL]).
You could one day be down in the doldrums long homeless hair scruffy looking and suddenly that is your "thing", you're the next Bradley Cooper.

You need to establish that you are a man, a confident alpha male. Women are attracted to power.
Power can be expressed in many ways. You can be Stephen Hawking (the genius babies he can produce).
Often it is Confidence, Money(aka wealth), streetsmarts, Intelligence, 'Cool" Being aloof and mysterious - not telling people much about yourself & not talking to everyone (a good choice for introverts).
You can fake confidence. Or Establish your power another way, managing your finances well, knowing every country that is safe to travel to, the best deals on travel, and the sights to see. Provided there is a way to demonstrate your passion to your person of interest, or better to many.
Wear a leather jacket, act as if you are a rebel. You don't have to smoke cigarettes, or own a motorcycle. Sometimes it's the fantasy you're selling.
Women respond well to appearances. Sometimes a suit and tie, another day a dirty work shirt and jeans.
Jealousy is another very good technique, that women react to and it doesn't need to be overt (kissing).
Simply get good at greeting women, learn to smile at them, and ask them how they are. Especially if you are not interested in them. (it can be a VERY brief interraction, if you find this quite uncomfortable). And give a few little complements to the one's that you're not interested in.
Attraction can be created. A girl can change her hair, or reveal that she is into a hobby that you never knew about and suddenly she is on your radar!
So when you hang out, don't become one of the girls. Become 'that', friendly confident, mysterious guy (that is only seen in passing).
However for girls becoming one of the guys, that can actually work in their favour. Eh! Sexual dimorphism exists.



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20 Sep 2016, 7:40 pm

So basically be manipulative...so funny it's what nice guys are often accused of lol


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20 Sep 2016, 8:50 pm

Not necessarily manipulative. Can you specify which parts you believe are manipulative?
I'm not talking about Negging.

Woman focus a lot of their attention on being attractive, and their beauty is a priority. That is how they attract mates. Since they not as proactive as males. Test it, make a hot male walk down the street, then do it with a hot female. The men that are around will have a greater response, even make moves to interact with her.

Also by demonstrating that you are good with other girls, this will raise your "social status"
It's also good practice, if you can say hello to several girls, then this can help saying hello to the one that you are attracted to. It also reduces the pressure on you. And when you do talk to her, hopefully she will be giving you way more signs that she is interested (and aspies need a lot more signals that's foresure!).

Many women's lives revolve around their 'reputation'. If they are with the popular guy, this can increase it.

I had a girl that was interested in me, but she wasn't giving me strong signs. When she saw me being friendly to other women, she got jealous (not visibly), but I worked it out later, when she finally got her act together and gave me a clearer sign. I wasn't even aware of womens jealousy at that point in my life.
If a girl is not interested in you, you can't change it. But you can help them decide if they are or not - speed up the process.

Birds are the opposite, the males are often flashy, they present their beauty to attract females. If male bird sees another showing off to a female bird, he might get jealous. Go over to present himself for her. Even though she had no interest in the first male bird at all. Jealousy worked, but she was not intentionally effecting it. Perhaps the second male was young and nervous, and that got him to get his act together.



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20 Sep 2016, 8:56 pm

There is zero reason to be a "nice guy". Women are repelled by nice guys -- i.e. non-assertive, non-aggressive men. In work and friendship situations, nice guys end up exploited and miserable. So just don't behave that way.

In my own personal experience, there are basically two things that make women interested in a guy: 1.) Be physically attractive -- i.e. exercise and watch your diet over the course of months and years, and 2.) Don't really care about the woman too much -- i.e. Care about yourself first and foremost and don't act like she's a big deal. I've had a very active sex life and some very successful relationships this way.



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20 Sep 2016, 9:03 pm

Have to agree with that.
You can't trust what women say. They used to say they wanted SNAG's (sensitive new age guys - in touch with their feelings).
Try it, talk about your feelings, infact talk lots with a girlfriend, cry too. She will likely drop you pretty quick.

We are attracted to the opposite. Women want a strong man, someone that is tough. And men enjoy how women are emotional and childlike, feminine, and need comforting, taking care of.

Keep in mind these are generalisations. I also enjoy a strong woman that can take care of herself.



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20 Sep 2016, 9:42 pm

PuzzlePieces1 wrote:
There is zero reason to be a "nice guy". Women are repelled by nice guys -- i.e. non-assertive, non-aggressive men. In work and friendship situations, nice guys end up exploited and miserable. So just don't behave that way.

In my own personal experience, there are basically two things that make women interested in a guy: 1.) Be physically attractive -- i.e. exercise and watch your diet over the course of months and years, and 2.) Don't really care about the woman too much -- i.e. Care about yourself first and foremost and don't act like she's a big deal. I've had a very active sex life and some very successful relationships this way.

Ah, sorry. You're wrong. My boyfriend is quiet, sensitive and not in amazing shape or hot. I like him immensely and pretty much don't give a s**t about any other dudes. He cares about me immensely and asks about how I feel and we just mesh well. He's also shy, non-assertive, and I asked him out.


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20 Sep 2016, 9:56 pm

Girls tend to be a bit biased towards their boyfriends. Doesn't take much to see they are often blind to how awful they can be. I've heard it firsthand plenty of times; "I wish he didn't use me for sex," etc. As if they don't have any personal responsibility or willpower to leave a bad situation. Even so it leads me to believe there's some different definition of "nice" that is alien to me.

I guess I should start being manipulative. Not actually caring about girls I date is certainly a healthy way to get into a good relationship and will never lead to regret or still feeling lonely. But I guess as a guy I'm expected not to feel anything.


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20 Sep 2016, 11:40 pm

lidsmichelle wrote:
PuzzlePieces1 wrote:
There is zero reason to be a "nice guy". Women are repelled by nice guys -- i.e. non-assertive, non-aggressive men. In work and friendship situations, nice guys end up exploited and miserable. So just don't behave that way.

In my own personal experience, there are basically two things that make women interested in a guy: 1.) Be physically attractive -- i.e. exercise and watch your diet over the course of months and years, and 2.) Don't really care about the woman too much -- i.e. Care about yourself first and foremost and don't act like she's a big deal. I've had a very active sex life and some very successful relationships this way.

Ah, sorry. You're wrong. My boyfriend is quiet, sensitive and not in amazing shape or hot. I like him immensely and pretty much don't give a s**t about any other dudes. He cares about me immensely and asks about how I feel and we just mesh well. He's also shy, non-assertive, and I asked him out.


Kind of the same story. Here. I'm another one that doesn't go for the "in fit shape" body type, assertive, act like they don't care much about the woman types. That would turn me off real quick, and it has. As a matter of fact, My boyfriend is also shy, nonassertive, and sensitive, not considered to be "hot" or "In amazing shape" but I find him quite hot personally, and I find his quiet, shyness endearing. I was the one who asked him out, because I wanted to be with him.



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20 Sep 2016, 11:57 pm

Being assertive and in decent shape is important for a lot of reasons in addition to attracting a potential partner. If a woman were to like me in my current state, I'd seriously think there's something very wrong with her—almost as wrong as there is with me in the first place. Therefore, pretty much any kind of interaction with her would count as taking advantage of her.


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21 Sep 2016, 12:19 am

Spiderpig wrote:
Being assertive and in decent shape is important for a lot of reasons in addition to attracting a potential partner. If a woman were to like me in my current state, I'd seriously think there's something very wrong with her—almost as wrong as there is with me in the first place. Therefore, pretty much any kind of interaction with her would count as taking advantage of her.


Not necessarily. Not all women give a rats behind about looks. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. It just means we are not shallow minded, and we care about more than what is on the outside. Looks fade away in time, as you get older anyway, no matter how well you try to stay in shape. It's a part of getting old. For this reason, looks should never be a huge deciding factor when picking a forever partner. How nice would it be, if the world could be blind, and see through their inner eyes instead.



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21 Sep 2016, 7:00 am

Bridgette77 wrote:
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Being assertive and in decent shape is important for a lot of reasons in addition to attracting a potential partner. If a woman were to like me in my current state, I'd seriously think there's something very wrong with her—almost as wrong as there is with me in the first place. Therefore, pretty much any kind of interaction with her would count as taking advantage of her.


Not necessarily. Not all women give a rats behind about looks. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. It just means we are not shallow minded, and we care about more than what is on the outside. Looks fade away in time, as you get older anyway, no matter how well you try to stay in shape. It's a part of getting old. For this reason, looks should never be a huge deciding factor when picking a forever partner. How nice would it be, if the world could be blind, and see through their inner eyes instead.


Well that would be nice, however the truth is most people won't get involved with somebody they are not attracted to physically.

I eat healthy food and I exercise a bit. Why would I expect less from a bloke? I see no excuse to be fat.



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21 Sep 2016, 7:07 am

hurtloam wrote:
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Being assertive and in decent shape is important for a lot of reasons in addition to attracting a potential partner. If a woman were to like me in my current state, I'd seriously think there's something very wrong with her—almost as wrong as there is with me in the first place. Therefore, pretty much any kind of interaction with her would count as taking advantage of her.


Not necessarily. Not all women give a rats behind about looks. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. It just means we are not shallow minded, and we care about more than what is on the outside. Looks fade away in time, as you get older anyway, no matter how well you try to stay in shape. It's a part of getting old. For this reason, looks should never be a huge deciding factor when picking a forever partner. How nice would it be, if the world could be blind, and see through their inner eyes instead.


Well that would be nice, however the truth is most people won't get involved with somebody they are not attracted to physically.

I eat healthy food and I exercise a bit. Why would I expect less from a bloke? I see no excuse to be fat.


I'd say it's quite justified not to be attracted to overweight people if you yourself aren't. I've never been overweight, but a year ago I noticed my metabolism was no longer keeping up with my lifestyle and I was definitely going to get overweight if I didn't make changes, so now I work out and don't recklessly eat snacks.

My mother was ridiculed as a child for being overweight. Nowadays, she has overweight people at work praising her "great genetics".



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21 Sep 2016, 7:23 am

Oooh, the metabolism certainly changes as you get older. I've hit a point where I've had to make changes too. My clothes were starting to get tight and I was like, well this is the point where i can no longer snack mindlessly and I have to exercise more.



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21 Sep 2016, 8:01 am

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Oooh, the metabolism certainly changes as you get older.
What? Wait. I already had a slow metabolism. Everyone says as a teen they had a rapid metabolism but even as a teen I was obese with a slow metabolism.

I have a slow metabolism now and I had a slow metabolism as a teen so does that mean after I turn 30 my metabolic rate will go from slow to glacial? 8O


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