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19 Sep 2012, 12:41 pm

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Well the OP of this thread always talks about the same, PUA always appears in his threads.

About PUA, you know absolutely all the guys who "play the game" so you are sure they are all good guys with good intentions, right?

Oh, and PUA IS an experiment. Those books have been written thanks to experimentation. "This works, that doesn't", "get laid with four chicks every week with our method".

About me thinking I'm above the rest and being in fact lower... I'm not against your opinion about me being worst than the men who game, you are in your right to think that. I have a lot of flaws, but this is not one of them. I like to be myself when I date, and I want men who date me being themselves too. It's a matter of respect. It's my opinion, you have another one, ok right.


Then the only to notice have been me and you.

Theres plenty of guys who dont play "the game" with good and bad intentions too. Hey atleast theyre still trying to get consensual sex instead of forced.

yes, but not done as an experiment for E-fame. Not done to have a group of worshipers. It started to simply get laid. The worshipers followed after that. In this case its just for the crowd.

I never said you're lower, I said that usually people in those frames of mind are. Ive not seen you around enough for that decision. That said, as me and others have mentioned theres more to PUA than being a fake. And until you learn all the sides of it I think you should keep that opinion to yourself, because its not a well informed one.


I have received too much information about PUA as a witness. I have been always gamed (PUA and stuff). Well, they tried.

I don't enjoy flirtation with copyright.

Maybe someday I will have a nice date and I will feel as a person and not as a "target" (to use a PUA word).


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19 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm

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I have received too much information about PUA as a witness. I have been always gamed (PUA and stuff). Well, they tried.

I don't enjoy flirtation with copyright.

Maybe someday I will have a nice date and I will feel as a person and not as a "target" (to use a PUA word).


Theres a good chance none of those were puas and just were regular douches. Again, hate the player, not the game.



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19 Sep 2012, 1:10 pm

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On a second note, I'm sick of being painted as the "bad guy" on this board because I put into clear writing what people are literally saying.


thats why i like your posts. They cut through the layers of BS to the core product while giving a logical and realistic answer/approach to things.

Also wolfy, you dont need to post pics of your chats. They prove nothing, heres literally the first and one of few women i messaged online.
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What you are not realizing is that you are showing an example of flirting in this photo which some people on the spectrum may not be aware of, even as something as breaking the ice can be difficult for some people or understanding when something isn't literal so you need to realize there are different levels of the spectrum and for all you know, it can help someone

As I have mentioned before, having good conversational skills on a website is very different to real life and I have encouraged people to real life as a first choice because it is more practical. Many of these forums prefer to use the internet though and for some reason, I'm not sure why they don't do random approaches as girls that don't use dating websites only get approached a few times a week whereas girls on dating sites get hundreds of messages a week.



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19 Sep 2012, 1:13 pm

As all PUA (even Glen Quagmire!) have said, this pick-up stuff is for sex - not love!

Any person after a real relationship will likely be revolted with the person using this technique in a very short time.



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19 Sep 2012, 1:20 pm

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What you are not realizing is that you are showing an example of flirting in this photo which some people on the spectrum may not be aware of, even as something as breaking the ice can be difficult for some people or understanding when something isn't literal so you need to realize there are different levels of the spectrum and for all you know, it can help someone

As I have mentioned before, having good conversational skills on a website is very different to real life and I have encouraged people to real life as a first choice because it is more practical. Many of these forums prefer to use the internet though and for some reason, I'm not sure why they don't do random approaches as girls that don't use dating websites only get approached a few times a week whereas girls on dating sites get hundreds of messages a week.


I realize exactly what i did there. I got more than i bargained for from just a friendly chat and pulled the plug (again, has to do with how i was back then). And i understand the different levels of issues people in here have, hence why i dont make one size fits all help threads.

Ive said that before too. But chances are if you're bad at irl approaches no matter how much more lenient women will be (if they are, cause likely they just want to be left alone to do what theyre doing) youll still have more success online due to coming across better at first. Foot in the door.



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19 Sep 2012, 1:24 pm

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im pretty sure what you just said is part of my point. Minus the italian suits, cause thats just cheesy as hell. And heaven forbid someone that is happy with their body. that will make more confidence than some pumped douche at the gym. Then theres also the possibility that... you know what a picture is worth a thousand words
[img][800:872]http://i.imgur.com/mrKgM.gif[/img]

theres more to looks than working out. Considering most of the guys women lust for arent even that big, just lean.


And for some, feeling strong brings the feeling of confidence over just being happy. From my perspective, you should never content with your body and always strive for more. If anything, you are dancing the expectations of others if you think working out is about impressing the expectations of another.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwvoTDoO9Hg[/youtube]



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19 Sep 2012, 1:26 pm

isnt that what i said? Be happy in your own body and if you arent work to it? Cause thats pretty much what i said.



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19 Sep 2012, 1:35 pm

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As all PUA (even Glen Quagmire!) have said, this pick-up stuff is for sex - not love!

Any person after a real relationship will likely be revolted with the person using this technique in a very short time.


That's it.

This stuff can be used only for sex, big mistake if you play this way with a potential partner.


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19 Sep 2012, 1:58 pm

noone has disagreed there.



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19 Sep 2012, 2:04 pm

I put this some time ago but I shall try to repost it:

Heres a quote about PUA:

"You cant play the game forever you are going to have to stop at some point because playing the game is extremely tiring. If you´ve been trying to convey that you are someone else then whatever relationship comes out of playing the game wont last long"

That was said by the one and only Neill Strauss(look him up if you must but if the name alone doesnt mean anything to you its unlikely to have any meaning)

That also happens to be the problem with most of the PUAs Ive been talking to in and offline. They try to convey that they are something they are not and as their beloved guru says its not going to get them where they want to be.
However dont try to point this out to any of them since they seem to like to select which parts of Mystery´s ideology need to be followed by heart and which should be ignored.
Its pretty sad but they ignore the end/moral of his book and thats the main advice Id give to any pua/anyone wanting to date. Dont try to convey you are something you arent because it wont work



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19 Sep 2012, 2:11 pm

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Just got back from a date, got another one tomorrow so I've been a bit busy.

To be honest, pick up artist is bound isn't going to hurt and to have the knowledge available to use won't be detrimental in any way to the person or relationship. In fact, it will give them a greater chance of being able to start a relationship and to know what to look out for.

The simple fact is that even the most subtle of women play games in a very subtle manner, it's being able to pick up on it, assess it and realize what you need to do.


MXH has made it clear several times that he isnt against PUA
He also has made it clear that he is against people that lie and presenting something that comes straight from a PUA website as your own work(what you did at the first post) is something that doesnt go well with him.



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19 Sep 2012, 2:17 pm

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Just got back from a date, got another one tomorrow so I've been a bit busy.

To be honest, pick up artist is bound isn't going to hurt and to have the knowledge available to use won't be detrimental in any way to the person or relationship. In fact, it will give them a greater chance of being able to start a relationship and to know what to look out for.

The simple fact is that even the most subtle of women play games in a very subtle manner, it's being able to pick up on it, assess it and realize what you need to do.


MXH has made it clear several times that he isnt against PUA
He also has made it clear that he is against people that lie and presenting something that comes straight from a PUA website as your own work(what you did at the first post) is something that doesnt go well with him.


correct. I think theres many things in PUA that are worth a look and think about. So long as you dont fall in the hole it is a good thing.



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19 Sep 2012, 2:51 pm

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noone has disagreed there.


I would never disagree with the meaning of what PUA is.

We were discussing if PUA is a good think or a bad think, weren't we?

Well, it has been cool, but I'm a bit tired of this thread. I'll see you in another :wink: .


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19 Sep 2012, 2:54 pm

The true pick-up artist can never be classified as one, as he or she never goes home alone, in spite of seeming to exert no visible effort or specific behavior.



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19 Sep 2012, 9:24 pm

spongy wrote:
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Just got back from a date, got another one tomorrow so I've been a bit busy.

To be honest, pick up artist is bound isn't going to hurt and to have the knowledge available to use won't be detrimental in any way to the person or relationship. In fact, it will give them a greater chance of being able to start a relationship and to know what to look out for.

The simple fact is that even the most subtle of women play games in a very subtle manner, it's being able to pick up on it, assess it and realize what you need to do.


MXH has made it clear several times that he isnt against PUA
He also has made it clear that he is against people that lie and presenting something that comes straiglht from a PUA website as your own work(what you did at the first post) is something that doesnt go well with him.


Everything is derived from everything in some way, that's just the way things work. Its like building a house, there are other ways to do it but doing out another way may require more time and materials than the conventional way. I'm not for or against it as, some of it has potential and some of it doesn't but its not suited to everyone. One size fits all is a good point but the methods here are vague like the previous idea of using a numbers methods.



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19 Sep 2012, 9:27 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
spongy wrote:
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Just got back from a date, got another one tomorrow so I've been a bit busy.

To be honest, pick up artist is bound isn't going to hurt and to have the knowledge available to use won't be detrimental in any way to the person or relationship. In fact, it will give them a greater chance of being able to start a relationship and to know what to look out for.

The simple fact is that even the most subtle of women play games in a very subtle manner, it's being able to pick up on it, assess it and realize what you need to do.


MXH has made it clear several times that he isnt against PUA
He also has made it clear that he is against people that lie and presenting something that comes straiglht from a PUA website as your own work(what you did at the first post) is something that doesnt go well with him.


Everything is derived from everything in some way, that's just the way things work. Its like building a house, there are other ways to do it but doing out another way may require more time and materials than the conventional way. I'm not for or against it as, some of it has potential and some of it doesn't but its not suited to everyone. One size fits all is a good point but the methods here are vague like the previous idea of using a numbers methods.

but you didnt just use the foundation, you literally explained what a s**t test was and how to beat it the exact same way as the page you got it from did. By your analogy you didnt even paint the walls of the house and called it new.