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Not necessarily, ask Lilya how long it takes her to do her make up, 2-3 hours everyday. Are you are saying that takes as long as a girl who just wears a little foundation with lip varnish? I don't think so, that would take about ten minutes.

Women can look good naturally with a good skin regime and using a much lighter amount of make up, if they wear too much, it's going to make them look like clowns and the contrast is from when they are wearing too much make up to none is going to be so great that the difference will be noticeable.

Care, gentle, loyal and woman parts (also able to amuse herself). Nothing else really appeals to me; don't care about looks, social stuff, interests, and whatnot.

There are so many products and I have my own skin regime.

Skin Regime
Step 1
Apply Facial Wash
Step 2
Apply toner with cotton pad, wait 5 minutes
Step 3
Apply Vitamin C serum, wait 5 minutes
Step 4
Apply Vitamin A moisturiser and EGF Eye Serum

I also use skin resurfacing technology, If me and other guys can use it on a daily basis, I'm sure a lot of women could do with a skin regime. Women we want you to be more natural, we want you to take care of your appearance and skin, we don't want to go to bed with a clown and wake up with rough.

We want to go to bed with a woman and have her wake up looking similar.

On that note, here's Naomi Watts looking very natural, beautiful and healthy so you can do a natural look. If you can spend 2-3 like Lilya, you should be able to take care of your skin with a regime and a touch of natural make up.

I love seeing a series of posts from men insisting women do not need to conform to the most prevalent societal beauty standards and then insisting that they prefer women conform to less common societal beauty standards.

It seems like there isn't any male posting in L&D who is capable of saying "I don't want to tell women what they need to or should do" and leaving it at that.

It's like "I'm not saying all women have to do this but this is the only thing that is attractive and women who don't look a certain way don't respect themselves blah blah blah"

Now someone say I'm a bitter feminist because I don't think men should be constantly telling women what the f**k they need to or should do.

Whoa! - war zone!

/exits.

The pressure to use products like that is just the same as the pressure to wear makeup and cover our flaws. How is a Revlon ad in a magazine any different from a Oil of Olay one? It's the same s**t appealing to women's insecurities. One expectation of beauty is just getting replaced with another. "Oh no makeup is terrible and ugly, we want you to spend $200/month on skincare rituals instead". Makeup or acheiving flawless au naturel, either way we're STILL being asked to do it to adhere to men's standard of beauty.

I have no idea where Lilya finds 2-3 hours in her busy jetsetting day to do makeup. I don't even have the time or energy to pluck my brows regularly.

Yes, what meems just said, you're admonishing (though so far from one particular poster it's been more abrasive than earnest) women for conforming to standards of beauty for wearing makeup, but then with the other face telling them to conform to another.

She looks very classy and all woman to me. Especially if you compare to more typical TOWIE style that goes far beyond taking care of oneself:

I refered to Dita as a style icon, but yes, I do respect her as a person as well. Note that she has done very well in the business aspect as well and been very clever when building her career. If you ask me who were my role models when I was growing up, they are Marie Curie and Aung San Sue Kye among with other notable women. Maybe this is a cultural aspect, but I've grown in surroundings were nudity is neither bad nor abnormal.

I have posed for lingerie, and I don't think that makes me a bad person. I have notable merits in education and a good career in Finance initiated. Also I have been nick named as "lady". Women should always be treated as ladies, and judged by their ideas and behaviour rather than bodies. If there is a person that ignores all that I am as a person and states that I can't be a "good woman" because I have posed in lingerie, I'm certain that they are not worth paying attention to. I've noticed that men who see women in sexy clothing as sluts tend to treat and consider all women as sluts more or less.

It's also not logically backwards to want to highlight one's best features even if one is already beautiful. Everyone is happy to look what they see as their best. I'm sure you feel better after shampooing your hair and brushing your teeth rather than ignoring yourself for weeks.

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Wolf, I spend around 10 minutes on my make up each morning and less than thirty if I go out. I don't have that much time in my hands on an average day.

Stop being mad about me blocking you and please leave me alone.

With regards to makeup. When I had a piano concert or a chorus concert I tend to wear my heavier makeup. Or when I went to a US Navy Birthday Ball with a then boyfriend I went to the hair salon to do makeup and hair. Other than that I barely wear much makeup. I may use pressed powder with SPF to protect my face, and some light eye shadow and liner. I don't wear lipstick or blush. I don't like those anti aging creams creams and other creams since I have sensitive skin and it makes my face red.

DVT?

Dita Von Teese. My apologies

It is more appealing because it's natural, it isn't artificial or fake but real and natural. Do you understand the difference between something being natural and real as opposed to something being fake?

It's a mutual standard, if I take care of my skin, I expect the same of my partner as just as I expect my partner to exercise as regularly as me, maybe not as intense but to keep a good standard health. I don't want to marry someone who is 20 for them to have let themselves go.

I don't think it's unfair for us to expect that either, more and more men are moisturising or using skin products so I think although the standards for men goes up, the standards for women go up as well.

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I don't know what you are talking about, I was the one who blocked you on Facebook as I recall. I unblock people on my block list after a certain time, I don't hold petty or childish grudges of any kind.

I stand by what I said, you talk to people like you are better than them as if you are some sort of top model when you're not. Anyone can put they are a model on Facebook, it doesn't make you special or better than anyone else.

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I always thought it was a hummer.

Oh because DVT means something else too. Deep Vein something. I think I saw Dita in a CSI episode. The women on mom's side rarely wear makeup. When I watch Korean dramas for instance, the women don't cake on so much makeup. Maybe some light eye shadow and lip gloss. Nothing like the women in the US. But also I find the women in Korean dramas to be bony.

I just, at this point, if I ever DO decide to try to get back in the dating pool, just want someone who doesn't play head games or lead guys on just for the fun of it. Because unfortunately for me, that is 99% of women in my area.