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@ Shau seriously, (and I know this is going to sound offensive, but I am frankly at a loss how else to understand your predicament)

are you stupid?

You are discussing salsa with someone who repeatedly claims they find no value in any form of dancing and then you expect them to respect the hours and effort you put into becoming proficient in something that they see as a massive waste of time?

You are of no value to anyone automatically just by virtue of being alive (this holds true for all beings everywhere) so to expect respect automatically from others is short sighted at the very least and incredibly entitled at best.

Now, to sweeten this lesson, I am going to confess I am a great fan of all dance forms and very much respect those those have managed to achieve a peer -recognised levels of proficiency. I do not however respect people who think they are entitled to anything. They are a fair game.

Or being surrounded by hideous looking people only during those sessions.

People that define and pride themselves on what they do are practically ubiquitous out there in the, ahem, *real world* that I'm starting to suspect you actually know little about. I'm wondering who you heard this bar story from...=/



It is expected of you to not disrespect a person's hobbies, especially if they've put a lot of effort into it, which is called basic manners. A bit of tact goes a long way toward removing one's status as a kissless virgin.



You need to find yourself a better salsa studio, m80. Mine is stuffed full of cute women in the 20-30s range, although we do have a mixed bag overall.

She wasn't even disrespecting you or your hobby, she just didn't see value in it and you cannot claim it's basic manners to see value in something just because someone else does. That's entitlement.

This has all come about because I dared to disagree with you. Well, at least you haven't ciriticised my sex drive...yet!

I see - you set your standards by what 'society' deems as normal.

In that case, I could return the favour and say that men who dance and belong to dance studios are generally viewed as ranpant effeminite homosexuals by many sections of society...wouldn't that be stupid? Quite.

I couldn't care less what you suspect, and whether or not you believe what I post to be true or not. Your inflexible opinions are of no great consequence to me. I could take the same attitude, and assume you're some 14 year old with nothing better to do than create a false character in a false world, and to continue to play your beloved 'mind games'. Reading this thread back, you clearly have issues with respect and manners, and I wish you luck with them.

Oh I know she wasn't, she didn't mean anything. However, from any NT I wouldn't have had any pity. They would know better.



That was just a razz. I should have put a " " next to it. Surely by this point you're fully aware of how volatile I am, what did you really expect?



It's a neurotypical world, and we're stuck on their planet. Their planet, and their rules. As I've immersed myself deeper and deeper into the NT mask, you start to figure out the way they think. More specifically, you start to fully grasp just how emotional the thought process of normal socializing is. You're thinking about this logically while failing to consider the emotional realm of things, that's where us Aspies honestly tank the most.

Not to like something on your own, does not involve to disrespect people, that like a certain hobby. Would you be disrespecting me, if you didn´t like the Star Wars universe? Not liking the Star Wars universum means nothing more, that you dont like the Star Wars universe. That does not include disrespect for me or anyone else, being fan of Star Wars.

If people like something or not, is simply a total personal matter, and is not related in any way to how complicated it may be or not. As example, I am annoyed by car driving, it simply gives me no fun. That does not mean that I dont accept that race drivers, will have to achieve certain skills, but if I was forced to train race driving, I simply was bored and annoyed as hell, because of me wasting time to train something, to achieve more skill in something that bores me.

Shau and I resolved this in a PM. As far as our argument, it's water under the bridge. Although, I don't know where the water or the bridge are located...

Oh, and I was looking for an animated picture of salsa dancing, but then I found this:

I am too socially anxious to dance.

I see. So you're caught in between, and your posts here were insincere, and part of that mask? How would you like me to communicate with you - as a NT or as an aspie?

The danger is you become a sort of cross between them, and end up in some middle section, not knowing where you fit in. Not that I would know at all, no sir... Perhaps, though, you're just so into masks, you really don't care about this now, or maybe never.

If you insist on wearing masks, make sure you've a good one on. From what I've seen of you so far - it isn't a good mask (yet).

Everyone wears a mask. Some are just more flexible than others.

Bold bit - you sound like anti-communist propaganda machine. Like "Pick your side sonny boy"
It's quite clear that anyone who isn't strictly speaking NT doesn't fit in anywhere. We are similar by the fact that we are different to others, but this doesn't make us similar to eachother or able to fit in with eachother. That's why autism spectrum is so awkward.

To you that might sound like it - fair enough, as you seem to be very individualistic in outlook and (possibly) behaviour.. I'm thinking that Shau's goal is to have some sort of social acceptance/belonging akin to that of a NT, judging by his past posts. It's about what he wants, not what I or you think is. So please, don't lump me in with the thought police

Sadly I agree with pretty much the rest of your post. However, it possibly gives some impression that NTs are all in tune and in harmony with each other, and this is not so. I don't think the grass is necessarily greener.

bold = heh, I am pretty sure I read somewhere on this forum that you are a teacher. What is a teacher if not taught police? (*Whispers in a loud panto voice: That should keep him chasing his tail for hours!*)

Of course, you have a point that NT grass isn't greener, but the whole point is that NTs don't have to think really hard and make super effort to just rub along with others without constantly sparking up as unusual. On the other hand, the energy they use to automate this process and which we have free, enables us to see the world in a much wider scope and a range of colours, sounds, smells etc that NTs can never experience. There is always a flip side.

I'm chasing my tail for zero seconds on that one, I assure you.

Teaching isn't telling people what to think. It's opening people up to think for themselves. Of course, the government might take a different view of this - eg. teaching is getting 65% of children to a Level 4 in Literacy and Numeracy, so they can play the part in the social machine that keeps the few at the top, the detritus at the bottom, and everyone kicking and struggling and grabbing onto false material life support in between. Who am I to say. Cough.

Sorry if any of that sounds excessively pompous. It's a job and puts food on the table and Merlot in my (broken) wine glass.

The rest of your post - I agree, and you say it better than I ever could. There is a flip side, and many of us just don't want to pay the price for it, even if we were capable of going along with it. It seems like a faustian pact for me, at times.

This doesn't even make any sense. What posts...?



Aspies have been reliable judges of social affairs since pretty much never, so no offense, really, but I'm not putting a whole lot of weight into your assessment here. Come back to me when you've got a few women and at least one relationship under your belt and I'll reconsider.

That's comically sweet of you.