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Im retiring my antics against feminists. Now heres a cute man vs woman race vid! Its not the driver its the car! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd_2BoRU_U4[/youtube]

Googness grief, what happened to individualism. Am I that blind to everything... Why is there this generalism between genders, everyone is an individual and cannot speak for all of one group.

Makes me think I'm glad not to be part of gender politics, the frick is going on...

Oh sweet sanity, cherish the post above people. It seems such a novelty, especially in this sub forum.

I think it goes without saying that we have left the area of "normal debate" the moment you declared my statements as ridicilous in nature. "Normal debate" doesn't open like that on the verge of being ad hominem - and for the record, you have now, as per my own prediction, crossed that line by doubting my being a legal practitioner.

I could have provided research quite easily, but I didn't feel like it simply because I was giving my oppinion. You could have just asked instead of calling me out in your offensive fashion, and now claiming standards of "normal debate" is quite the contradiction.
Alas, if you want it that way, here is your precious sources. First of all: when it comes to the law, unbiased research is a rare thing indeed. This is not natural science, law is sociology, philosophy and ethics. That said, there is a very recent study by german Criminologist Hans Christian Pfeiffer from the Kriminologische Insitut Niedersachsen, that reports an increase in charges filed for sexual offense, while the conviction rate dropped dramatically - from 21.6% to 8.4%, to be precise. Prof. Pfeiffer comes to a little different conclusions, but I am actually working on a publication that attacks his findings not by the statistics, but by his conclusions, which in my oppinion, are wrong and very far-fetched. Alas, one of the conclusions to definitely draw is that people get wrongfully accused more often. I am not going to take away your joy of reading that study yourself, provided you are reasonably fluid in German, but you can read their bulletin about the study on their webpage www.kfn.de. Enjoy. If you really want to go their, I could start quoting from it, but this is not a platform for German law, and I am definitely not going through the effort of translating even a single word for you, or provide the study for you in text ( I am not certain if it has been digitally published, again, not my job to do you busy work. If you want to read it, order it or find the digital copy yourself). Point is: there is a study at least for my region that is actually debated about quite vividly in German penal science. My interpretation stands, and if you are willing to wait, I am probably publishing it in late summer.

As for the rest of my statement, I never claimed that it can be statistically proven - if another legal pracitioner tells me from their experience, and I hear similar stories from others who do child custody law, I am quite happily ready to believe them, as they have no reason to lie about it in this regard, and they are mostly women themselves.

You could have asked in a very civil manner if you were really interested in my statements. May I ask why you refrained from doing so and thought it would be more productive to start attacking me as a person?

.......*hugs*

So, starryeyedvoyager, you basically have nothing but indignation and an attempt to infer causality from inappropriate statistics. You were probably better off sticking with indignation, or just making your unsupportable assertions and calling it a day.

I don't know about in Germany, but here in the US we have many bigoted legal practitioners who don't understand statistics. The only way to show an increase in false accusations would be an increase in the number of people charged with making a false accusation. An increase in the number of lawyers charged with suborning perjury would help with your other point.

I called your assertions ridiculous because they fit a classic pattern of ridiculous assertions, commonly held by rape apologists, MRAs, and the like. People who hold those views typically have nothing to go on except stereotypes. If research by Dr. Pfeiffer was the best you could find, that doesn't speak well to the accuracy of your assertions. He seems to get regularly challenged for the quality of his work, as well as for being a publicity hound.

The latter is the reason why I and many others are attacking not his statistics, but his conclusions. There is little to no reason to believe that the statistics are wrong, but what conclusions are to be drawn from them are a different matter.
It is false, however, that concluding how many false accusations are in cases of sexual offenses can only be measured by the amount of charges for false accusation, as this is not how the law works, at least not here. Maybe this is one of the reasons we are not on even terms, but in general, you come to a poinit where you have to make assumptions rather quickly when it comes to the law, as accurate statistics about a false judgement is impossible to come by, as there are too many indicators and too many variables involved to define what a false judgement is, and what falls under the term. You have to go into detail about individual cases and look into the reason of judgement - being found not guilty can have many different reasons. So yes, a statistic about how many women get in turn charged with false accusation would indeed be handy to come by, but connecting these too wouldn't say much about correlation. I still entertain that one of the reasons the rate of convinctions dropped is likely connected with an increase of false accusations, but there could be other reasons, as the convictions rate fluctuated over the past 20 or so years, thus, more research is necessary in this regard. Again, this is not the place to discuss such things in detail, and it is one of the reasons why I do not provide all my sources - this is not a board about penal science, we'll have to leave it at that. The statistics show that there is something different, and I entertain that my interpretation is one that is perfectly valid, and it certainly has nothing to do with being apologetic towards rape - and again, subliminal personal attack is not of value in meaningful discussion. Besides that, Dr. Pfeiffer is someone who goes into the other extreme, and if you'd done your reasearch properly, you would have found out about that. Like yourself, he is very quick to jump to conclusions about correlation between certain events. About his recent study, his assumption is that sexual offenders simply regard the precedence of the German Federal Court, which ist, quite the stretch to think a culprit has the mental capacity to regard legal reasoning while committing sex crimes. Again, it's his conclusions he jumps to that are questionable, not his methods of reasearch per se. Again, read the study, read the literature published about it so far, but don't just hack things into google and piece together some half-baked opinion just so you have a reason to continue your personal vendetta against... I don't know who, and frankly, I do not care in the slightest.
You seem to be projecting your own prejudice on other people, which isn't helpful in any way.
Alas, I would like you to procure sources now, also, that definitely disprove my assumptions for Germany, it could only help my own research. Because other than offensive rhetorics and questioning my source material, you have not been living up to the standards you have set, so far. I am always willing to learn new things, so please go ahead and educate me.

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Not my job. If you have a problem with specific assertions I've made, I'll of course back them up. I don't see much risk of your arguments convincing anyone, so I'll just leave it with you making excuses not to back up those arguments.

I don't think there is real sexism against women on this subforum. Just a bunch of kool aid addicts are moaning. To feel uncomfortable is a subjective matter. The average western woman is such a delicate and entitled being. I wouldn't care too much, if I was you.

You've only been a member of the site since May (although I wouldn't to learn that you've just been previously banned from the site and this is just a new account), so I'm not sure how much you have to base your opinion on. Of course feelings of discomfort are a subjective matter, what else would they be? The problem is that a lot of women feel uncomfortable by the amount of sexism they see here.

It's probably pretty easy for you to say things like "I wouldn't care too much if I were you" because you are a man and you'll never have to experience the world through a woman's eyes, and you'll never actually get to learn whether the "if I were you" of what you said is actually true or not. However, I'm a man and I find the sexism here to be quite real, and also a problem.

I'd be curious to learn what you consider "real sexism" since the sexism that happens here isn't real by your standards?








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Thank you to the OP for this post.

I try to keep a low profile. Am usually on here everyday, just reading...not much posting. In all honesty, there have been a handful of times that I felt stressed by comments/questions that seemed invasive. Since I'm relatively private until I really know a person...this can put me off even more.

For the most part, I'm quite pleased as many men (and women) here tend to be very respectful. Am thankful for a place that feels like a haven to me. Wrong Planet calms me down and seems like home after a long day....

You are most welcome! I just dont wish to have more members leaving or feel unwelcome whether they are male or female and I do have a heart and a soft side and it has gotten to me! I care very much it makes me cry knowing there are women who feel mistreated and unwelcome here!

I am such a delicate and entitled being that you'd be curled up in a fetal position inside a week if you tried to live my life.

We are entitled to courtesy, respect, equality, yes. Like anyone else.

*hugs*Women are people too like we men are remember without women we men would not exist for how can we without mothers giving birth to us?