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30 May 2007, 1:55 am

Ragtime wrote:

You're confusing faith with will -- in this case, the will to know the truth (the truth being that as-yet undefined absolute reality, regardless of what it may be).

Ah. I see where we fundamentally differ:
I see the concept of an ultimate reality as
a matter of faith. A leap that I am unwilling
to make. Desiring to know what is perhaps
impossible IS a matter of faith.

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30 May 2007, 1:56 am

Why has God given me ear ache?
It sucks.
She's also given me a sore throat.
b***h.

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30 May 2007, 2:11 am

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We had been talking about marriage for a couple weeks, and I formally proposed to her Sunday. I first asked her out on April 7 of this year, so this has happened pretty quickly. We haven't set a date yet, but we're thinking sometime in the fall. To recap our relationship, I'm 28, and she's 56 -- yet we mesh together wonderfully. We met at our small church, which we had both been attending for almost 10 years, but we had never thought of each other in that way, until it just occurred to me one night (our church meets at sundown, and then goes out for dinner and coffee, late into the night) that she always had a smile on her face, and just seemed so full of joy and the love of Christ. Our religious beliefs are identical, which is rare to find even in a friend. We have lots of mutual friends, which is awesome. All my family and friends approve of her, which is quite stunning!

I'm just glad. (I'm an Aspie, so you'll have to take my word for it.

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Congratulations!
It's good to see that you share the exact same interests and devotion
Surely it will be a happy and healthy life for both of you

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30 May 2007, 8:33 am

calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

You're confusing faith with will -- in this case, the will to know the truth (the truth being that as-yet undefined absolute reality, regardless of what it may be).

Mmmmmmm... it's very close, but I see wanting to know the truth as an emptiness we're all born with, which we seek to fill with knowledge and wisdom. So, I wouldn't call that emptiness, "faith". I think we're made to seek out the "why"s in life -- which is why we turn to philosophy. I say it's very close, because faith can immediately follow that hunger, but it's not that hunger itself. Indeed, when we're born wanting to know, don't we also insist on seeing the evidence? Which of course would not be faith, or hope. "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" Romans 8:24. Kids see that they don't know certain things which they wish to -- we spent our whole childhoods realizing, and trying to fill, that deficit of knowledge and wisdom. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1

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30 May 2007, 8:34 am

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Why has God given me ear ache?
It sucks.
She's also given me a sore throat.
b***h.

What's the point of this particular post?

(By the way, He's given me ear ache too. It's also on the right, like yours. I've had mine for a month, off and on, but I don't think God's f*cked in the head because of that. His knowledge is simply more vast than mine, and in that knowledge is the answer to why, toward ultimate good, I have an ear ache.)

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30 May 2007, 9:59 am

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Sopho wrote:

If a god existed, it would be a cat.

God is a cat in Hinduism.

stick with the bible, Lukewarm, God is a Cat (Bast) in Egyptian religions.

Merle

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30 May 2007, 1:44 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Why has God given me ear ache?
It sucks.
She's also given me a sore throat.
b***h.

why towards an ultimate good? why do you have to justify god giving you an earache?

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30 May 2007, 1:45 pm

sinsboldly wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

If a god existed, it would be a cat.

God is a cat in Hinduism.

stick with the bible, Lukewarm, God is a Cat (Bast) in Egyptian religions.

Merle

well, one of them...... protector of RA amongst other things if i remember

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30 May 2007, 1:45 pm

I don't believe in a god.
I think I have earache because I'm getting a cold.
I don't think a god gave it to me.
BTW, marriage sucks.

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30 May 2007, 1:55 pm

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BTW, marriage sucks.

Personal experience, or just an unfounded guess?
I was pretty damned content when married,
until given the boot.

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30 May 2007, 1:57 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Why has God given me ear ache?
It sucks.
She's also given me a sore throat.
b***h.

why towards an ultimate good? why do you have to justify god giving you an earache?

Because I believe He's real. And I believe that He's real whether or not I choose to believe He's real. So I might as well accept Him. You don't think every painful experience is inherently bad, and never leads to good, do you? Of course, you don't, or you wouldn't work for a living. Life is simply a big "no pain no gain" situation, most of the time. Meaning, not all gain is gotten through pain -- gifts, like mercy, for example, are free. But you asked how my earache leads to good. I don't know how, I just know that it will, because of this: "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose", Romans 8:28.

And I don't have to justify God allowing me to naturally get an earache, as opposed to miraculously preventing it. He created the natural world and the laws of nature, so naturally, many times He lets them operate on their own. God doesn't owe me an explanation. And He is perfectly good, still.

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30 May 2007, 2:01 pm

calandale wrote:

Sopho wrote:

BTW, marriage sucks.

Personal experience, or just an unfounded guess?
I was pretty damned content when married,
until given the boot.

I don't mean atually being married. I wouldn't know. I've never been married and never will be probably. I mean the whole concept of it sucks. IMO.

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30 May 2007, 2:04 pm

Sopho wrote:

I don't believe in a god.
I think I have earache because I'm getting a cold.
I don't think a god gave it to me.

My belief about your (and my) earache is identical to your belief about it.

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BTW, marriage sucks.

Mine will, and in the best ... possible ... way. Oh yeah........ :lol:

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30 May 2007, 2:07 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

BTW, marriage sucks.

Mine will, and in the best way, too! Oh yeah........ :lol:

Is that a good Christian thing to do?

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30 May 2007, 2:09 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

BTW, marriage sucks.

Mine will, and in the best way, too! Oh yeah........ :lol:

Is that a good Christian thing to do?

It's allowed.

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30 May 2007, 2:11 pm

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It's allowed.

Why wouldn't it be OK for me to have sex with a woman then?

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