What is misogyny? What is misandry?

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Humans.... have evolved as a patriarchal species - and continued so - there are so many evidences for that; men were always a "warrior class" of our ancestors and even in present primitive tribes, and this is so cross-cultural and cross-time - and I don't think humans ever went into a very long peaceful period to evolve in a different direction. (like what happened to the bonobos' ancestors, which made this distinct sub species of chimps).

No, we were never been like bonobos socially :-/ - and no, they are not closer genetically to us than common chimps who are btw very patriarchal and violent , before anyone says that stupid theory again based on wishful thinking.

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I'm no advocate for warfare either. But viewing all soldiers as sexist and evil people is just an incorrect perspective. Because a lot of them are really insecure men who became soldiers to impress women. They actually have a really gynocentric perspective despite not wanting women to join them. Outside of the military, if a woman said jump, they would ask how high.

Well that's interesting. I guess you've known, lived and worked with soldiers so know more than me.

Of course not letting women in doesn't make every single individual soldier sexist.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing. I've not ever wanted to sign up.

Oh yeah no torture devices for me. Not like men have their arms ripped off by horses, have their penis and balls cut off. The Scott guy had his penis cut off, his intestines pulled out and burned in front of him, then they cut his heart out while he was still alive, cut his head off after then cut his body into 4 to be displayed across England. There’s also devices that go up a guys pee hole.

Man or woman people of ancient times had horrible devices to torture or kill either.

Maybe today but in th past they couldn’t. Young men would often be kidnapedmsnd forced to fight in military’s. Even today yiu have to have a religious reason to not fight. Watch hacksaw ridge. Simiple I don’t kill isn’t enough. Yiu have to have a religious belief that says yiu can’t kill, likewise to get Sunday’s off from work. But until ww1 yiu got forced to server or be exicuted

I think it's a little disturbing that you apparently think "access to the opposite sex" is a right.

This kind of ties into what Chronos was saying earlier, about "creep shaming." What's with men thinking that the respect and companionship of women is something they should be entitled to? If you've managed to alienate everyone in your neighborhood with an X chromosome, honey, that ain't misandry.


wew lad. Ever heard of Chelsea Manning?


1/4 women in the military have been raped, compared to 1/6 women in the general population. The military has a huge HUGE problem with rape that no one in the higher ranks ever wants to talk about. Yes, the military is absolutely a misogynistic institution, what planet do you live on? This whole thread's shedding new light on the phrase "Wrong Planet.


What if some humans are actually descended from bonobos? What if I'm a bonobo-breed, and that's why I have all these cuh-raaazy ideas about sex and gender and stuff?

I think you have to bear in mind that a lot of users on the forum speak English well, but it's not their first language, so being overly pedantic about wording is a little unfair.

"Access to the opposite sex" just means how the opposite sex will view you based on your actions. Will they like it or will they think "no way, your decisions are not those of someone I'd even consider dating"

Yes, absolutely. I don't know how I could have forgotten to add this to my post.

I've read some horrible reports.

Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind.

When someone states that “men are pigs/jerks” because of bad relationships, what would that be considered?

Same statement, but about women?

Where did she say it’s a right?
She’s simply stating most women wouldn’t date a coward and thus a coward wouldn’t have access to women. No where does that say they guaranteed women if they serve.
But a lot of women I see on Facebook, dating sites and Craigslist seem to feel entitled to men as if it’s their right to have a successful man provide for them. I don’t see yiu talking about that.

Wanting to dat =/= right to date. I’m so tired of women like you coming here and saying guys feel they’re entitled or saying it’s a right to have a woman, like were some kind of we’d trafficker. How dare guys want to be loved and love just like women do, how horrible of us to want to be human.

“ well that’s a true statement, vs if it was about women it’d be false therefore misogynistic” random feminist extremist.

Everyone knows men are just stupid War loving, women raping pigs. We are all the same. It’s common sense man

Oddly a lot of women prefer said guys minus the rape. Men who don’t meet societies image of a man don’t get much attention and like xfilesgeek said we get mocked, bullied and shamed for it. I’m not society male. I’m weak, I don’t like getting dirty , I don’t kill things for enjoyment, I have emotions and get emotional, I’m bit fat, etc. most my bullies as a kid were women. At age 6 two little girls would make me do bad stuff or they’d kick me in my privates. Had a lady in 5th grade pretend to like me only to set me up to meet after school and be teased in front of the whole school.
Growing up cars with grips would drive by and call be fat and loser. One occasion they circled back around and slowly followed me yelling horrible things at me for 5-10 minuets.
Currently dating wise I get rejected for the above and then my lack of income. A real man would man up and have a good job to provide for a lady. I’m just worthless.

Then yiu have women come here who hate men and tend to be self termed feminists.

But what would I know surely all that is just righteous and correct there’s no hatred for men, only men can be sexist and only whites can be racists, oh who’s whites and Japanese.

Thanks

I never meant the "access to the opposite sex" (however it sounds to a native English speaker... I sometimes freak out my first language speakers by my choices of words!) is anybody's entitled right.
But, let's be honest, it's a very, very strong desire of many.

It's still misandry and the parallel statement about women is still misogyny.

It's legal to kill anyone in self defense in the U.S., however the scope in which the self defense defense applies is very narrow and I think many men don't understand that women do not have as many options when defending themselves as men, and because of that, women have been convicted of murder or given long prison sentences when they were very likely acting in self defense.

For example, the case of Marissa Alexander

To summarize, she had recently had a baby and had gone to her estranged husband's house to collect some clothes of hers and show him photos of their new baby. While she was in the bathroom, he started going through her phone and found messages of her eluding to the fact that she intended to leave him, or some such thing. He flew into a rage and broke into the bathroom and started attacking her and choking her. This he does not deny. Her account is, she was able to get away from him and fled into the garage and got in her car to leave, but the garage door was jammed, so she grabbed a gun from inside the car and ran back into the house to flee out the front door, only to encounter him again in the kitchen doorway. She fired two shots in his direction, which she later claimed were warning shots to keep him at bay. None of this is disputed but she received a mandatory 20 year prison sentence because 1. It's generally illegal to fire warning shots. 2. When she fired the shots, two of his children were standing next to him. The prosecutor argued that the garage door worked when tested by detectives and even if it hadn't, could have been manually opened by pulling a lever on the opening mechanism track. After much controversy, she was released and is awaiting a new trial.

Having lived in many houses, sometimes automatic garage doors jam, and being a short, not particularly strong female, I've never succeeded in opening an automatic garage door manually. I usually can't reach the manual lever and if I can, I don't have the strength to pull the door open. I don't think a lot of men realize the level of disadvantage women are at in these situations.

Here is a situation involving men.



The man in the black shirt will be shot to death. His name was Kareem Mano. The man in the orange shirt who shoots him is named De'Andre Malik Thomas. The two men had a dispute over a cell phone that one of them sold the other's sister. The words exchanged between them, I don't know, but at some point during the confrontation, Mano either starts to feel threatened or upset and pulls a TEC-9 semiautomatic pistol out of his pants (he was a convenience store clerk and often carried this to work for protection). After a few seconds, he puts it back in his pants but motions in an angry manner and approaches Thomas in what appears to be a hostile manner. At this point, if Thomas were to pepper spray him, most people would probably agree that Mano's actions constituted assault (in many states, assault is when one person gives another reason to fear for their immediate safety) and Thomas' actions constituted self defense. Thomas begins to back away as Mano continues to intrude upon Thomas, and make contact with him in a threatening manner. At this point, Thomas pulls a small gun out of his right pocket. Mano tries to grab it but Thomas shoots before he can. At this point, no one would likely argue that the first shot wasn't self defense, but Thomas was arrested and is on trial for murder, because after the first shot, Mano turned and ran, and Thomas pursued him, firing more shots.

In most states, when a person shoots a fleeing aggressor, it is no longer considered self defense because the aggressor was fleeing. However many who have watched the video argue that Mano had a TEC-9 semiautomatic pistol, and could easily have turned around and pumped Thomas full of bullets after getting some distance...that Mano, even when fleeing, still presented sufficient danger to Thomas' life, that Thomas' actions should constitute self defense. The police and district attorney though apparently disagree, and so Thomas is facing murder charges.

^ Do you work in criminology?