Would it be harder for an ugly guy on the spectrum?

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16 Jan 2018, 1:42 pm

I believe the studies are bunk because they don't reflect the "individual person."

Based on the results of these studies, a "composite" is obtained. This "composite" often does not reflect the actuality of the individual person.

If I went according to the results of studies, I'd be "forever alone" even at 57.



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16 Jan 2018, 1:48 pm

^ Thats correct. Hence why I think online dating is sub standard to meeting people the normal way.

Tinder is just all about looks, and as looks are a very small part about what makes me want to have sex with someone, I do not use it. I don’t think I’m a very rare case. Most men don’t have enormous problems with never getting laid. Most average guys I meet have been laid or have had GFs before, even if they’re single. Aspie men are the minority, not the norm.

I’ve liked guys in real life I would have swiped left to as they didn’t stand out on a shallow app.



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16 Jan 2018, 1:54 pm

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^ Thats correct. Hence why I think online dating is sub standard to meeting people the normal way.

Tinder is just all about looks, and as looks are a very small part about what makes me want to have sex with someone, I do not use it. I don’t think I’m a very rare case. Most men don’t have enormous problems with never getting laid. Most average guys I meet have been laid or have had GFs before, even if they’re single. Aspie men are the minority, not the norm.

I’ve liked guys in real life I would have swiped left to as they didn’t stand out on a shallow app.



^ You have swiped me left on Tinder, I am sure! ;_;

But not on Mixxxer!! (http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/ne ... t-for-sex/) if I put my bikini stripping pic!



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16 Jan 2018, 3:29 pm

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Ironically, women responded to me more when I was slightly overweight, than when I was thin and running marathons.

New York sounds like a very strange place.



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16 Jan 2018, 3:40 pm

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You’d kiss and have sex with a guy you don’t find attractive at all? I couldn’t do those with a woman I don’t find attractive. Kissingnand sex is a big part of relationships. So a relationship lacking then that isntnwith two asexual people is doomed to fail.


That's something I'm not completely sure about, but like I've said, to me a relationship is mostly about the connection of mind and heart. Sex is important to many people yes, but not all relationships need sex to work. I have a friend who has been together with an asexual for... three years? Yes, I think it's three. She's not an asexual herself, but has come to the conclusion that she likes her asexual boyfriend more than she likes sex, so she stays with him. Couples like them are most likely rare, but they exist.

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Yes as I want to kiss them and have sex and they won’t do that with someone they find ugly. It’d be like making out with a pile of dog poop. Most people won’t do it. Not to mention if they find menugly they won’t even bother to get to know me or even talk to me so they never see my personality.
People see others first and if your ugly it’ll never move beyond just seeing. So how will they ever know my personality to fall in love with it? Unless they blind.


Well, even if someone finds you unattractive/ugly first they might still not mind being friends with you if you're interesting to talk to. If you're interesting to talk to they'll probably spend more time with you and get to know you. Once you're friends they might get attracted to your personality so much that you actually start looking good in their eyes or they stop caring about the fact that they don't see you as attractive (yes, this really does happen.)


Most guys aren’t asexual though. So they’d want sex and kisses then feel neglected and unloved when you won’t give them cause you find them ugly. They even cheat or just leave you. Probably latter as they ugly so no one to cheat with. Asexual guy with sexual woman could work as most women areber as sexual in the first place. Most women want sex once a week or less while most men want sex daily. There’s certainly women with high sex drives but they aren’t the majority. Biological speaking I gues it’s cause women carry babie and so want sex less while men high sex drives so they mate with as many females as possible? I dont know but men wanting sex more then their wife is a common issue in relationships. So a relationship ere the guy doesn’t want sex is bound to work better then one where the woman doesn’t. Though lots of women do cheat from lack of sex. Usually cause they guys working a lot.

Never had females want to be my friend local. They won’t even talk to me. I’m too ugly, as boo said looks effect friendships too. That and most people have only same gender friends. At work the women are friends together and the men are friends together. Not a lot of them are friends with opposite gender. Same at college when I went. Guys talk more to women they want to date. Same for women. If women like a guy they try to talk to them more. But they don’t If the guys ugly. I’ve never been approached by a woman. Never had a woman spend time with me, never had a woman take interest in me. I’m ugly so they stay away. No reason to approach a guy they find ugly.

Or they’d friendzone me and use me for stuff their female friend or romantic interests won’t do for them. Most male female friendships never go beyond friends.
They see their male friends as a little brother. No one would want to date their little brother, so it’s dead end route.



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16 Jan 2018, 8:14 pm

My ex-fiancée wanted to have sex with me at least six times a week; I didn't want it that often.

I want it when I "get the feeling," not on some "schedule" compiled by someone else.



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16 Jan 2018, 8:27 pm

If any guy or girl is an absolute supermodel they're going to have an easier time getting attention. However, since a vast majority of people are slightly above average, average, or below, they aren't going to get anyone without showing the "Personality" side of things. I find that though I've got about an average appearance, my personality is an instant turn off much of the time. I come across as cowardly, confused, stuttery, nervous, quiet, etc. I'm too complex when all the other person wants to talk about is modern small talk stuff and I get into discussions about why I exist. Neurotypicals hate that kind of talk apparently.



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16 Jan 2018, 8:31 pm

I don't usually like "why I exist?" discussions, either.

It doesn't mean I won't engage in one should I be in the mood for one.

I believe I exist because my father (via his sperm) and my mother (via her egg, fertilized by my father's sperm), created me. Yes, that's obvious hee hee :wink:



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16 Jan 2018, 11:27 pm

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My ex-fiancée wanted to have sex with me at least six times a week; I didn't want it that often.

I want it when I "get the feeling," not on some "schedule" compiled by someone else.


I had no idea women could want sex that much. Certainly sounds like a nymphomaniac though.



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17 Jan 2018, 1:18 am

I feel like she just wanted to feel "loved."

I wasn't able to bring her to climax. I was young and inexperienced then. At least it wasn't painful for her after the first few times.



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17 Jan 2018, 1:34 am

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You’d kiss and have sex with a guy you don’t find attractive at all? I couldn’t do those with a woman I don’t find attractive. Kissingnand sex is a big part of relationships. So a relationship lacking then that isntnwith two asexual people is doomed to fail.


That's something I'm not completely sure about, but like I've said, to me a relationship is mostly about the connection of mind and heart. Sex is important to many people yes, but not all relationships need sex to work. I have a friend who has been together with an asexual for... three years? Yes, I think it's three. She's not an asexual herself, but has come to the conclusion that she likes her asexual boyfriend more than she likes sex, so she stays with him. Couples like them are most likely rare, but they exist.

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Yes as I want to kiss them and have sex and they won’t do that with someone they find ugly. It’d be like making out with a pile of dog poop. Most people won’t do it. Not to mention if they find menugly they won’t even bother to get to know me or even talk to me so they never see my personality.
People see others first and if your ugly it’ll never move beyond just seeing. So how will they ever know my personality to fall in love with it? Unless they blind.


Well, even if someone finds you unattractive/ugly first they might still not mind being friends with you if you're interesting to talk to. If you're interesting to talk to they'll probably spend more time with you and get to know you. Once you're friends they might get attracted to your personality so much that you actually start looking good in their eyes or they stop caring about the fact that they don't see you as attractive (yes, this really does happen.)


Most guys aren’t asexual though. So they’d want sex and kisses then feel neglected and unloved when you won’t give them cause you find them ugly. They even cheat or just leave you. Probably latter as they ugly so no one to cheat with. Asexual guy with sexual woman could work as most women areber as sexual in the first place. Most women want sex once a week or less while most men want sex daily. There’s certainly women with high sex drives but they aren’t the majority. Biological speaking I gues it’s cause women carry babie and so want sex less while men high sex drives so they mate with as many females as possible? I dont know but men wanting sex more then their wife is a common issue in relationships. So a relationship ere the guy doesn’t want sex is bound to work better then one where the woman doesn’t. Though lots of women do cheat from lack of sex. Usually cause they guys working a lot.

Never had females want to be my friend local. They won’t even talk to me. I’m too ugly, as boo said looks effect friendships too. That and most people have only same gender friends. At work the women are friends together and the men are friends together. Not a lot of them are friends with opposite gender. Same at college when I went. Guys talk more to women they want to date. Same for women. If women like a guy they try to talk to them more. But they don’t If the guys ugly. I’ve never been approached by a woman. Never had a woman spend time with me, never had a woman take interest in me. I’m ugly so they stay away. No reason to approach a guy they find ugly.

Or they’d friendzone me and use me for stuff their female friend or romantic interests won’t do for them. Most male female friendships never go beyond friends.
They see their male friends as a little brother. No one would want to date their little brother, so it’s dead end route.


Ah well, I wouldn't see a guy who demands sex from me as worth of my time anyway, so that solves that problem. Asking is fine, demanding is not, even if the couple is married.
So you think women are more likely to give up a thing they like (sex) for the sake of the person they like? Well, that might be the case since women do often seem to be more interested in the emotional side of things than men. On average I mean; I'm sure there are exceptions.

I suppose there are some cultural differences here or something; where I come from it's very common for people to be friends with the opposite sex even if they aren't attracted to them.



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17 Jan 2018, 3:09 am

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New research suggests that a simple measurement -- a "rule of thumb" -- might be the key to the pleasures of sexual intercourse.

About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances


Now, not orgasming doesn't necessarily mean not enjoying sex, but there's certainly a huge number who don't enjoy sex much. I certainly have seen horny women before.

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She determined the female orgasm is merely a byproduct of the male orgasm, as both sexes share the same genital nerve tissue in the fetal stage.

"It is perfectly normal not to have orgasms and there were lots of women in evolutionary time who had no orgasms and it had no impact on their fertility," said Lloyd.


So, maybe women have evolved to be....well.... less sexual than men overall?

After all, the main libido hormone is Testosterone in both men and women , and women have it less than men by....10 to 30 times less! But I can never what it is like on the other side without changing my sex. :chin:



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17 Jan 2018, 4:24 am

I've seen people that I consider ugly or just not attractive with partners that I consider beautiful or generally very attractive. So, it's all up to how you view yourself. You need to have confidence in yourself. Very much easier said that done sure.



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17 Jan 2018, 7:32 am

For me personally I think so because I’m not good looking at all and I’m 30 so yeah dating for me just will not happen not at my age



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17 Jan 2018, 4:14 pm

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You’d kiss and have sex with a guy you don’t find attractive at all? I couldn’t do those with a woman I don’t find attractive. Kissingnand sex is a big part of relationships. So a relationship lacking then that isntnwith two asexual people is doomed to fail.


That's something I'm not completely sure about, but like I've said, to me a relationship is mostly about the connection of mind and heart. Sex is important to many people yes, but not all relationships need sex to work. I have a friend who has been together with an asexual for... three years? Yes, I think it's three. She's not an asexual herself, but has come to the conclusion that she likes her asexual boyfriend more than she likes sex, so she stays with him. Couples like them are most likely rare, but they exist.

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Yes as I want to kiss them and have sex and they won’t do that with someone they find ugly. It’d be like making out with a pile of dog poop. Most people won’t do it. Not to mention if they find menugly they won’t even bother to get to know me or even talk to me so they never see my personality.
People see others first and if your ugly it’ll never move beyond just seeing. So how will they ever know my personality to fall in love with it? Unless they blind.


Well, even if someone finds you unattractive/ugly first they might still not mind being friends with you if you're interesting to talk to. If you're interesting to talk to they'll probably spend more time with you and get to know you. Once you're friends they might get attracted to your personality so much that you actually start looking good in their eyes or they stop caring about the fact that they don't see you as attractive (yes, this really does happen.)


Most guys aren’t asexual though. So they’d want sex and kisses then feel neglected and unloved when you won’t give them cause you find them ugly. They even cheat or just leave you. Probably latter as they ugly so no one to cheat with. Asexual guy with sexual woman could work as most women areber as sexual in the first place. Most women want sex once a week or less while most men want sex daily. There’s certainly women with high sex drives but they aren’t the majority. Biological speaking I gues it’s cause women carry babie and so want sex less while men high sex drives so they mate with as many females as possible? I dont know but men wanting sex more then their wife is a common issue in relationships. So a relationship ere the guy doesn’t want sex is bound to work better then one where the woman doesn’t. Though lots of women do cheat from lack of sex. Usually cause they guys working a lot.

Never had females want to be my friend local. They won’t even talk to me. I’m too ugly, as boo said looks effect friendships too. That and most people have only same gender friends. At work the women are friends together and the men are friends together. Not a lot of them are friends with opposite gender. Same at college when I went. Guys talk more to women they want to date. Same for women. If women like a guy they try to talk to them more. But they don’t If the guys ugly. I’ve never been approached by a woman. Never had a woman spend time with me, never had a woman take interest in me. I’m ugly so they stay away. No reason to approach a guy they find ugly.

Or they’d friendzone me and use me for stuff their female friend or romantic interests won’t do for them. Most male female friendships never go beyond friends.
They see their male friends as a little brother. No one would want to date their little brother, so it’s dead end route.


Ah well, I wouldn't see a guy who demands sex from me as worth of my time anyway, so that solves that problem. Asking is fine, demanding is not, even if the couple is married.
So you think women are more likely to give up a thing they like (sex) for the sake of the person they like? Well, that might be the case since women do often seem to be more interested in the emotional side of things than men. On average I mean; I'm sure there are exceptions.

I suppose there are some cultural differences here or something; where I come from it's very common for people to be friends with the opposite sex even if they aren't attracted to them.

I never said demand, it’s just not getting what you need out of a relationship thus ending said relationship. Most people need sex to feel loved. No sex leaves them feeling unloved and undesired. Thus they stop loving their spouse as weep at which point the relationship is over. Likewise if it was lack of emotional support.

No I said many women have lower sex drives, they desire sex less. So,s might be ok going months without sex, so they more likely to be ok in a sexless relationship. Men have higher sex drives and need sexual bonding to connect. Thus it effects them more in a sexless relationship. It’s why men can’t use sex as a weapon but lots of women will deny sex as punishment or use it as a bargaining chip. For high sex drive women they also can’t handle being in a sexless relationship. There were a few here who felt unloved because their guy never wante sex with them.

It’s not very common here. My sister has one male friend and she has a crush on him and wants to date him, all her friends are female, all her girls at church friends are girls, the boys with boys.
Probably more just guys have more t do with guys and girls with girls. Things girls or women do men don’t like , most women don’t like guy stuff either, so majority don’t have opposite gent friends besides say their friends bfs etc. even then they group friends. Who hangs out in groups. She wouldn’t hang out alone with her friends bf.

When I was in school I had a female friend. Everyone assumed we were dating cause why else would a guy and girl hang out together. Similarly as adult. When I’m with a woman alone it’s asumed she’s my gf.



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21 Jan 2018, 2:43 pm

Probably_Drunk wrote:
are you really that blind to reality that you don't see that many people who you consider to be hideous and ugly are in total happy and loving relationships, not everyone thinks like you, the only thing I find hideous and ugly about your post is that you think everyone should feel the same repugnant way you do. sorry but some of us have a mind of our own.



Well said, you are probably less drunk and more in tandem with a mind of your own. Shame you get one individual spoiling it for the sake of ''keeping up appearances.''