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14 Jun 2018, 10:05 am

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WtF? Now a days? Uh, you mean.. forever? It's not an NT thing, it's a human thing. People see attractive people and have biological responses in their genitals. It's completely normal, not some strange modern phenomenon exclusive to a small subset of people.


It is an NT thing, and it is impossible to have biological responses in the genitals.

Can you please stop talking as if your experience were common to all neurodiverse people? I've been telling you that for years.
I do agree about the fact that thinking somone is good looking doesn't necessarily have to result in a (e)reaction of the genitals though.


Uh, yeah, I'm with Peacesells on this one. Wtf? I definitely have a biological response in my genitals when I see someone sexually attractive and my dick gets hard & I want to f**k them. That's certainly not all in my brain. And I'm not NT.


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14 Jun 2018, 12:33 pm

What can be norm is dictated by evolution (but not "the survival of the fittest" bullsh*t), everything else is just a statistical error. Human children need emotional stability to grow, that means love of their parents for many years (10+). It's impossible when one changes their partner often, so such behaviour will never be "normal". Of course attractiveness is important, but to keep the current partner happy, not to get as many sexual partners as possible. Only love is and always be normal (unless all humans will become brainless d***s).


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14 Jun 2018, 12:46 pm

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What can be norm is dictated by evolution (but not "the survival of the fittest" bullsh*t), everything else is just a statistical error. Human children need emotional stability to grow, that means love of their parents for many years (10+). It's impossible when one changes their partner often, so such behaviour will never be "normal". Of course attractiveness is important, but to keep the current partner happy, not to get as many sexual partners as possible. Only love is and always be normal (unless all humans will become brainless d***s).


Why are you excluding the possibility of two parents raising a child together while also each having multiple sexual partners? :?


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14 Jun 2018, 12:47 pm

They definitely shouldn't "show this side" in front of the kids......



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14 Jun 2018, 12:52 pm

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They definitely shouldn't "show this side" in front of the kids......


MOST people don't have sex in front of their kids, so that shouldn't be an issue.

I had a conversation with a straight friend from the beach yesterday. He and his gf of 10 years are trying to make their first baby. He still sleeps with other women, she knows about it and is okay with it, and they have a great relationship that works for them. I'm not sure if she sleeps with other men or not - I didn't ask. Many people are finding that open relationships, with clearly agreed to ground rules, work better for them than monogamous ones. This is a lesson many are learning from the LGBT community. "Traditional marriage," works so well that ~1/2 of them end in divorce. But when people accept the fact that they're in love with their partners, but still into hooking up with other people for pleasure, then they find a balance that works for them & life goes on just fine. It's not for everyone, but for many, being monogamish is plenty better than breaking up or getting divorced.


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14 Jun 2018, 1:30 pm

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They definitely shouldn't "show this side" in front of the kids......


MOST people don't have sex in front of their kids, so that shouldn't be an issue.

I had a conversation with a straight friend from the beach yesterday. He and his gf of 10 years are trying to make their first baby. He still sleeps with other women, she knows about it and is okay with it, and they have a great relationship that works for them. I'm not sure if she sleeps with other men or not - I didn't ask. Many people are finding that open relationships, with clearly agreed to ground rules, work better for them than monogamous ones. This is a lesson many are learning from the LGBT community. "Traditional marriage," works so well that ~1/2 of them end in divorce. But when people accept the fact that they're in love with their partners, but still into hooking up with other people for pleasure, then they find a balance that works for them & life goes on just fine. It's not for everyone, but for many, being monogamish is plenty better than breaking up or getting divorced.

Traditional marriage half of the times ends in divorce because people are not serious enough about it and are accustomed to a society where almost everything is disponsable and nothing is worth a fix.



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14 Jun 2018, 1:38 pm

Why do people need multiple sexual partners? If one needs sexual toys just for pleasure, there are dolls. Nowadays they can be more good-looking than real people, they don't complain, they don't attach. Then why not? Maybe because it's not about sex, but dominance? Maybe because it's all about their ego, not pure sexual pleasure? Why do you think divorce (when love is over) is worse than cheating your partner, just to keep something that is dead already (why it dies is completely different matter, many people mistake sexual attraction with love, and that ends any marriage very quickly).

I didn't notice ealier:

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I definitely have a biological response in my genitals when I see someone sexually attractive

Your genitals have eyes? 8O


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14 Jun 2018, 2:01 pm

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Why do people need multiple sexual partners? If one needs sexual toys just for pleasure, there are dolls. Nowadays they can be more good-looking than real people, they don't complain, they don't attach. Then why not? Maybe because it's not about sex, but dominance? Maybe because it's all about their ego, not pure sexual pleasure? Why do you think divorce (when love is over) is worse than cheating your partner, just to keep something that is dead already (why it dies is completely different matter, many people mistake sexual attraction with love, and that ends any marriage very quickly).
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I definitely have a biological response in my genitals when I see someone sexually attractive

Your genitals have eyes? :shocked:


Why some people need multiple partners and others don't is entirely an individual thing. We have, however, as a species, evolved to accommodate multiple sexual partners in a short period of time. This is why there are different types of sperm cells that behave like a football team in the race for the egg.. there are blocker sperm designed to attack/block other men's sperm in order to allow the fast swimmers to break through and get to the egg first. Survival of the fittest applies even to our reproductive cells.

I never said my genitals have eyes. I said there's a response in my genitals when I see someone I'm attracted to.


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14 Jun 2018, 2:13 pm

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Why some people need multiple partners and others don't is entirely an individual thing. We have, however, as a species, evolved to accommodate multiple sexual partners in a short period of time.
No, we evolved to be monogamic for long periods of time, that's why we fall in love, and it usually lasts for at least few years.

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This is why there are different types of sperm cells that behave like a football team in the race for the egg.. there are blocker sperm designed to attack/block other men's sperm in order to allow the fast swimmers to break through and get to the egg first. Survival of the fittest applies even to our reproductive cells.
Why do you conclude it's for other men's sperm? It's also useful for picking the best of the best from one partner.

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I never said my genitals have eyes. I said there's a response in my genitals when I see someone I'm attracted to.

So you need BRAIN to have any response to visual stimuli in your genitals. QED


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14 Jun 2018, 2:18 pm

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Why some people need multiple partners and others don't is entirely an individual thing. We have, however, as a species, evolved to accommodate multiple sexual partners in a short period of time.
No, we evolved to be monogamic for long periods of time, that's why we fall in love, and it usually lasts for at least few years.

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This is why there are different types of sperm cells that behave like a football team in the race for the egg.. there are blocker sperm designed to attack/block other men's sperm in order to allow the fast swimmers to break through and get to the egg first. Survival of the fittest applies even to our reproductive cells.
Why do you conclude it's for other men's sperm? It's also useful for picking the best of the best from one partner.

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I never said my genitals have eyes. I said there's a response in my genitals when I see someone I'm attracted to.

So you need BRAIN to have any response to visual stimuli in your genitals. QED


Science has concluded that these cells attack other men's sperm who have recently fornicated with the same female in order to give one's own sperm the best chance of fertilizing the egg. It's not my conclusion. It's known biological fact.

We need our brains for everything. What's your point? :? That doesn't mean that males don't experience physical reactions in their genitals - unless, of course, you're impotent.


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14 Jun 2018, 2:19 pm

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So you need BRAIN to have any response to visual stimuli in your genitals. QED

His brain gets the information from his eyes and sends signals to his genitals, causing a response in them.



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14 Jun 2018, 2:43 pm

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Science has concluded that these cells attack other men's sperm who have recently fornicated with the same female in order to give one's own sperm the best chance of fertilizing the egg. It's not my conclusion. It's known biological fact.

Just because they attack other's men sperm doesn't mean it was meant for this purpose (for example, it can protect against becoming pregnant from rape). It's the same with allergy. As I said, it's also useful for protecting against cells that mutated too much from the original. It's not a proof you want to see.

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We need our brains for everything. What's your point? :? That doesn't mean that males don't experience physical reactions in their genitals - unless, of course, you're impotent.

My point is, Fay was right, you were wrong. What you call "physical" reaction is neuron reaction in your brain. Your genitals can react only to touch, and it needs brain to do this, otherwise you would be constantly aroused by practically everything.


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14 Jun 2018, 3:00 pm

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Science has concluded that these cells attack other men's sperm who have recently fornicated with the same female in order to give one's own sperm the best chance of fertilizing the egg. It's not my conclusion. It's known biological fact.

Just because they attack other's men sperm doesn't mean it was meant for this purpose (for example, it can protect against becoming pregnant from rape). It's the same with allergy. As I said, it's also useful for protecting against cells that mutated too much from the original. It's not a proof you want to see.

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We need our brains for everything. What's your point? :? That doesn't mean that males don't experience physical reactions in their genitals - unless, of course, you're impotent.

My point is, Fay was right, you were wrong. What you call "physical" reaction is neuron reaction in your brain. Your genitals can react only to touch, and it needs brain to do this, otherwise you would be constantly aroused by practically everything.


I didn't determine that this is biological fact. Evolutionary Biologists who are experts in their field figured it out and shared it with the world.

Um, we all know that our brain is required for every bodily function. That doesn't mean that other parts of our bodies don't react to things. Unless, perhaps, your dick is broken - then maybe you can't experience an erection caused by someone you're sexually attracted to.


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14 Jun 2018, 3:17 pm

I am not a doctor but I thought that when someone touched your genitals the receptors around the skin receive the signal and send it to the brain, just like one's eyes would do when seeing someone attractive. Then it provokes a reaction in the genitals. Not that I get a boner if I see someone I find attractive, we are talking about goldfish. :lol:



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I didn't determine that this is biological fact. Evolutionary Biologists who are experts in their field figured it out and shared it with the world.
Typical NT argument, proof by "because expert said so". Experts always share their hypothesis only, it's not a proof of anything. As I said, it only proves that women's man of choice wasn't around them for 24h/7d. It happens that in humans physical act arouses many lonely frustrated men, that can use the "right" moment to rape a woman in love with someone else (because men are usually stronger than women). So if you're a man and can't watch your woman 24h/7d it's useful to have mechanism, that will prevent your woman from having someone else's children while you're not around (or from some degenerated sperm). If it was like you're claiming, then we wouldn't have any "attraction" mechanisms, we could make sex with everyone, and that's not true (not even for a psychopath). And we would be already extinct by some veneric disease.

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Um, we all know that our brain is required for every bodily function. That doesn't mean that other parts of our bodies don't react to things. Unless, perhaps, your dick is broken - then maybe you can't experience an erection caused by someone you're sexually attracted to.

Other parts of our bodies react to brain orders, it's just effect, not a cause. Does it react to your underwear? No. Because brain decides to what react. And my d**k is fine, thank you for your concern, how's your HIV? :P


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14 Jun 2018, 6:00 pm

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I didn't determine that this is biological fact. Evolutionary Biologists who are experts in their field figured it out and shared it with the world.
Typical NT argument, proof by "because expert said so". Experts always share their hypothesis only, it's not a proof of anything.

Typical Flat Earth argument.