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05 Aug 2018, 11:19 am

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No, Quora members are simply less sensitive and more open to discussions about such topics without being PC; I have seen the same topics there that we see here on WP but the female reactions are sooooo different: Some OP posts a study or asks about a generalization; the reactions there from female members there are very different than WP members, many women there admit the generalization and they explain why it exists in a civil and detailed way without resorting to insults and accusations such as sexism and PUA - If you don’t believe me go see the dating/gender topics on Quora; I have never seen such behavior there.

Just take a look at the link I posted for example; someone asked “Why so many women love fancy weddings”. NONE of the female members went to the defensive, on the contrary they admitted this is true, none denied the observation (while here on WP denial of realities is sooo common) and explained why this social thing exists even if they aren’t into fancy weddings themselves. I bet the same question would have caused here the same drama and accusations that we are so tired to hear.
Frankly many members here need to grow a thicker skin.

Even in Quora there are plenty of replies, but you chose to go with the "they want to show off to their girl friends" explanation.



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05 Aug 2018, 11:23 am

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If she is referring to Aspie1. or spiderpig, the guys are more MGTOW. It is an opposite philisophy to PUA, PUA is about how to get a consent casual sex while mgtow is about forgetting any type of relationships and avoiding women. Yes, mgtow is common here on wp, but not pua.


Where did you get the idea that I’m a MGTOW? I’d like to find a girlfriend; in fact, I’d like to have children with her. I’m simply not so delusional as to believe I’ll have more than a snowball’s chance in hell at my current age and with the amount of s**t I have yet to get together in my life. Besides, I don’t avoid women; I leave them alone because I know that’s almost always, if not always, what they want, and know no acceptable way to interact with them any more than strictly forced by external circumstances.


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05 Aug 2018, 11:50 am

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There are a lot of guys who choose women, not because they like them or because they have anything in common with them, but because they hope they will give them a positive social standing with other men. And I think men with low self esteem are especially susceptible to this, and then when it continually fails, they retreat to the MGTOW or incel forums to complain to other men and gnash their teeth about how horrible women are, when in reality they have done nothing at all to actually make any attempt to see women as fellow human beings who have just as many problems and issues as they have.

Usually people who go MGTOW and Incel don't really get to choose much, I guess this must be really unconceivable for you. Besides I don't really think they do it primarily for social standing, lol, how can you criticize Boo if you make similar generalizations?
You are basically trying to say they deserve what they get because they want to use woman to get a positive social standing with other men.
Finally let me add that most people who post such generalizations here seem to be active on dating sites and looking for women, so how are they going their own way exactly?



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05 Aug 2018, 11:55 am

Incel, by definition, is something you do not choose to be: involuntarily celibate. I’m not interested in those forums, let alone terrorism, and have no idea what their members are up to.


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05 Aug 2018, 12:28 pm

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Usually people who go MGTOW and Incel don't really get to choose much, I guess this must be really unconceivable for you. Besides I don't really think they do it primarily for social standing, lol, how can you criticize Boo if you make similar generalizations?
You are basically trying to say they deserve what they get because they want to use woman to get a positive social standing with other men.
Finally let me add that most people who post such generalizations here seem to be active on dating sites and looking for women, so how are they going their own way exactly?


Frankly, I don't really care one way or the other why men choose the MGTOW thing. In fact, I'm all for it if they want to drop out of dating, stomp their feet, sulk and take their ball and go the hell home. They're doing everyone a favor by keeping their toxicity away.


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05 Aug 2018, 12:30 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No, Quora members are simply less sensitive and more open to discussions about such topics without being PC; I have seen the same topics there that we see here on WP but the female reactions are sooooo different: Some OP posts a study or asks about a generalization; the reactions there from female members there are very different than WP members, many women there admit the generalization and they explain why it exists in a civil and detailed way without resorting to insults and accusations such as sexism and PUA - If you don’t believe me go see the dating/gender topics on Quora; I have never seen such behavior there.

Just take a look at the link I posted for example; someone asked “Why so many women love fancy weddings”. NONE of the female members went to the defensive, on the contrary they admitted this is true, none denied the observation (while here on WP denial of realities is sooo common) and explained why this social thing exists even if they aren’t into fancy weddings themselves. I bet the same question would have caused here the same drama and accusations that we are so tired to hear.
Frankly many members here need to grow a thicker skin.

Even in Quora there are plenty of replies, but you chose to go with the "they want to show off to their girl friends" explanation.


... and completely ignored the women who stated they did not care one way or the other if they had a fancy wedding.


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05 Aug 2018, 12:48 pm

I think there is a reason why you can talk about gender and behavior on Quora but not here. Quora members (of both genders) are mostly NTs, and so certainly know that the typical biases (like women seeking men with status and wanting fancy weddings, men only thinking about sex) are according to their own biases, and so they acknowledge that it exists and is true. When these issues come up on WP, many men and women don't have these biases, and so they attack people for pointing out that this actually is so in the NT population. Men that point this out likely do it because they've observed it (in NT women), but then get attacked for sexism (which it is not).

So, it would be far better if the women here stopped denying that these biases are real, and instead point out they are not like that themselves.



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05 Aug 2018, 1:40 pm

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I think there is a reason why you can talk about gender and behavior on Quora but not here. Quora members (of both genders) are mostly NTs, and so certainly know that the typical biases (like women seeking men with status and wanting fancy weddings, men only thinking about sex) are according to their own biases, and so they acknowledge that it exists and is true. When these issues come up on WP, many men and women don't have these biases, and so they attack people for pointing out that this actually is so in the NT population. Men that point this out likely do it because they've observed it (in NT women), but then get attacked for sexism (which it is not).

So, it would be far better if the women here stopped denying that these biases are real, and instead point out they are not like that themselves.


The thing is, it has been pointed out on this forum, numerous times, that NOT ALL women like the same things. We are not all the same. That's been said over and over and over again. And it is repeatedly shot back down that stating you're an individual is exactly the same thing as having a hive mind. :roll:

Seriously, sometimes I think it's better that some people stay single. It's sad but if they can't move past their own internal blocks, maybe it's the best thing for everyone until they can get some help and resolve their issues.


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05 Aug 2018, 1:48 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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^ I'm guessing it has something to do with the tendency for some men on here to constantly post studies trying to "prove" how awful we women are, and how the poor menz have it so much harder.

It does tend to try one's patience.



No, Quora members are simply less sensitive and more open to discussions about such topics without being PC; I have seen the same topics there that we see here on WP but the female reactions are sooooo different: Some OP posts a study or asks about a generalization; the reactions there from female members there are very different than WP members, many women there admit the generalization and they explain why it exists in a civil and detailed way without resorting to insults and accusations such as sexism and PUA - If you don’t believe me go see the dating/gender topics on Quora; I have never seen such behavior there.

Just take a look at the link I posted for example; someone asked “Why so many women love fancy weddings”. NONE of the female members went to the defensive, on the contrary they admitted this is true, none denied the observation (while here on WP denial of realities is sooo common) and explained why this social thing exists even if they aren’t into fancy weddings themselves. I bet the same question would have caused here the same drama and accusations that we are so tired to hear.
Frankly many members here need to grow a thicker skin.


No, the female user base on WP is used to being attacked due to our sex, and we get tired of it.

I can think of plenty of "hive-mind" behavior among men, but, if I posted about such, I'd get buried under mounds of reports to the moderators. On WP, it's cool to generalize about women, but not men.

It's nonsense. If you deny that women on WP have been the targets of many attacks due to their sex, you're living in a fantasy world.



You are totally free to talk about generalizations about men - without resorting to attacks ie. men think with their dicks for instance though.
I doubt any of the guys is gonna report you if you talk about it in a civil manner.


But claiming all women are materialistic and want super expensive weddings is okay?


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05 Aug 2018, 1:53 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
^ I'm guessing it has something to do with the tendency for some men on here to constantly post studies trying to "prove" how awful we women are, and how the poor menz have it so much harder.

It does tend to try one's patience.



No, Quora members are simply less sensitive and more open to discussions about such topics without being PC; I have seen the same topics there that we see here on WP but the female reactions are sooooo different: Some OP posts a study or asks about a generalization; the reactions there from female members there are very different than WP members, many women there admit the generalization and they explain why it exists in a civil and detailed way without resorting to insults and accusations such as sexism and PUA - If you don’t believe me go see the dating/gender topics on Quora; I have never seen such behavior there.

Just take a look at the link I posted for example; someone asked “Why so many women love fancy weddings”. NONE of the female members went to the defensive, on the contrary they admitted this is true, none denied the observation (while here on WP denial of realities is sooo common) and explained why this social thing exists even if they aren’t into fancy weddings themselves. I bet the same question would have caused here the same drama and accusations that we are so tired to hear.
Frankly many members here need to grow a thicker skin.


No, the female user base on WP is used to being attacked due to our sex, and we get tired of it.

I can think of plenty of "hive-mind" behavior among men, but, if I posted about such, I'd get buried under mounds of reports to the moderators. On WP, it's cool to generalize about women, but not men.

It's nonsense. If you deny that women on WP have been the targets of many attacks due to their sex, you're living in a fantasy world.



You are totally free to talk about generalizations about men - without resorting to attacks ie. men think with their dicks for instance though.
I doubt any of the guys is gonna report you if you talk about it in a civil manner.


But claiming all women are materialistic and want super expensive weddings is okay?



Which was something I never said, I literally said many/most in every instance.

But of course, you as usual, even if we are talking about one woman you see 'all' and feel offended because you want to be offended - that's the difference between you and the Quora members.



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05 Aug 2018, 1:54 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
^ I'm guessing it has something to do with the tendency for some men on here to constantly post studies trying to "prove" how awful we women are, and how the poor menz have it so much harder.

It does tend to try one's patience.



No, Quora members are simply less sensitive and more open to discussions about such topics without being PC; I have seen the same topics there that we see here on WP but the female reactions are sooooo different: Some OP posts a study or asks about a generalization; the reactions there from female members there are very different than WP members, many women there admit the generalization and they explain why it exists in a civil and detailed way without resorting to insults and accusations such as sexism and PUA - If you don’t believe me go see the dating/gender topics on Quora; I have never seen such behavior there.

Just take a look at the link I posted for example; someone asked “Why so many women love fancy weddings”. NONE of the female members went to the defensive, on the contrary they admitted this is true, none denied the observation (while here on WP denial of realities is sooo common) and explained why this social thing exists even if they aren’t into fancy weddings themselves. I bet the same question would have caused here the same drama and accusations that we are so tired to hear.
Frankly many members here need to grow a thicker skin.


No, the female user base on WP is used to being attacked due to our sex, and we get tired of it.

I can think of plenty of "hive-mind" behavior among men, but, if I posted about such, I'd get buried under mounds of reports to the moderators. On WP, it's cool to generalize about women, but not men.

It's nonsense. If you deny that women on WP have been the targets of many attacks due to their sex, you're living in a fantasy world.



You are totally free to talk about generalizations about men - without resorting to attacks ie. men think with their dicks for instance though.
I doubt any of the guys is gonna report you if you talk about it in a civil manner.


But claiming all women are materialistic and want super expensive weddings is okay?


I’m struggling with the constant negativity towards women on this site.

I’ve had horrible experiences with men, but I don’t start threads making generalizations about the entire sex. Maybe I should start just to even things out...



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05 Aug 2018, 2:04 pm

^^^And I would encourage you to do that! If you are struggling with a repetitive pattern over and over again, then that means it may be an issue with the herd mentality you may find in the average nt men. And no, the problem is not always you as the 'the common denominator' - sometimes the the common denominator is really sometimes a group copycat thinking thing. Let's say for example you have a major physical flaw or some health condition you cannot fix , and you can feel that most men rejecting you because of it, would that necessarily mean the blame is on you? Or it is just a fact the vast majority of people prefer healthy people?

If herd mentality doesn't exist among humans, then Asperger Syndrome itself wouldn't have existed as a diagnosable disorder at all because it would be seen as just another personality variant.



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05 Aug 2018, 2:05 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
^ I'm guessing it has something to do with the tendency for some men on here to constantly post studies trying to "prove" how awful we women are, and how the poor menz have it so much harder.

It does tend to try one's patience.



No, Quora members are simply less sensitive and more open to discussions about such topics without being PC; I have seen the same topics there that we see here on WP but the female reactions are sooooo different: Some OP posts a study or asks about a generalization; the reactions there from female members there are very different than WP members, many women there admit the generalization and they explain why it exists in a civil and detailed way without resorting to insults and accusations such as sexism and PUA - If you don’t believe me go see the dating/gender topics on Quora; I have never seen such behavior there.

Just take a look at the link I posted for example; someone asked “Why so many women love fancy weddings”. NONE of the female members went to the defensive, on the contrary they admitted this is true, none denied the observation (while here on WP denial of realities is sooo common) and explained why this social thing exists even if they aren’t into fancy weddings themselves. I bet the same question would have caused here the same drama and accusations that we are so tired to hear.
Frankly many members here need to grow a thicker skin.


No, the female user base on WP is used to being attacked due to our sex, and we get tired of it.

I can think of plenty of "hive-mind" behavior among men, but, if I posted about such, I'd get buried under mounds of reports to the moderators. On WP, it's cool to generalize about women, but not men.

It's nonsense. If you deny that women on WP have been the targets of many attacks due to their sex, you're living in a fantasy world.



You are totally free to talk about generalizations about men - without resorting to attacks ie. men think with their dicks for instance though.
I doubt any of the guys is gonna report you if you talk about it in a civil manner.


But claiming all women are materialistic and want super expensive weddings is okay?



Which was something I never said, I literally said many/most in every instance.

But of course, as you usual, even if we are talking about one women you see 'all' and feel offended because you want to be offended - that's the difference between you and the Quora members.



Not really.

If you say "women," or "the majority of women," or "the average woman," than you are talking about most women. It's basic English.


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05 Aug 2018, 2:16 pm

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^^^And I would encourage you to do that! If you are struggling with a repetitive pattern over and over again, then that means it may be an issue with the herd mentality you may find in the average nt men. And no, the problem is not always you as the 'the common denominator' - sometimes the the common denominator is really sometimes a group copycat thinking thing. Let's say for example you have a major physical flaw or some health condition you cannot fix , and you can feel that most men rejecting you because of it, would that necessarily mean the blame is on you? Or it is just a fact the vast majority of people prefer healthy people?

If herd mentality doesn't exist among humans, then Asperger Syndrome itself wouldn't have existed as a diagnosable disorder at all because it would be seen as just another personality variant.


My problem is not with being rejected but with badly abusive situations.



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05 Aug 2018, 2:18 pm

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I’m struggling with the constant negativity towards women on this site.

I’ve had horrible experiences with men, but I don’t start threads making generalizations about the entire sex. Maybe I should start just to even things out...


Maybe I'm rambling here, and no one will listen, which is fine, but I have to throw my hat in the ring. There are two separate dynamics going on. Male-Female, as well as Aspie-Neurotypical. While no two people are the same, there are generalities which may be more applicable to one sex, and, likewise, generalities that may be more applicable to one neurotype, so we're broadly dealing with four categories: NT male, NT female, AS male, AS female.

This is important. Since most people are NT, generalizations about womenkind are usually about NT women. I think the Aspie women on this board should step back for a moment, not give in to their feminine emotion (yes, there's a gender stereotype), and realize much of the criticism is aimed more at the NT world than WOMEN collectively.

Generally speaking: NTs are much more concerned with status display and social functions than Aspies. A generality, yes, but generally accurate. Since weddings/planning weddings/getting married is (generally) more of a female preoccupation, it would seem logical that weddings as both an event and a social display probably hold the most meaning for FEMALE NTs, and the least for MALE Aspies.

Before getting hung up on the battle of the sexes, don't forget the cross-section that is neurotype. That's a biggie here. Just gotta say that. And while that message is for everyone, generally speaking, it's mainly directed at the female Aspies getting a little snippy. Theory of Mind problems, perhaps? The ultimate criticism is with the NT world. That's how it looks to me, anyway, just as an observer.

Thank you for letting me say my piece, everyone. And I come in peace. Oh, and to the lady I quoted: I'd wager most (if not all) of the MEN you've had problems with were neurotypical. Most of the women (and men) I've had problems with are also neurotypical. That is a factor in all of this. Let's not forget that. There's a reason it feels like people like us are on the wrong planet here. 8)



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05 Aug 2018, 2:22 pm

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Frankly, I don't really care one way or the other why men choose the MGTOW thing. In fact, I'm all for it if they want to drop out of dating, stomp their feet, sulk and take their ball and go the hell home. They're doing everyone a favor by keeping their toxicity away.

Many of them are idiots but some are just jaded.
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I think there is a reason why you can talk about gender and behavior on Quora but not here. Quora members (of both genders) are mostly NTs, and so certainly know that the typical biases (like women seeking men with status and wanting fancy weddings, men only thinking about sex) are according to their own biases, and so they acknowledge that it exists and is true. When these issues come up on WP, many men and women don't have these biases, and so they attack people for pointing out that this actually is so in the NT population. Men that point this out likely do it because they've observed it (in NT women), but then get attacked for sexism (which it is not).

So, it would be far better if the women here stopped denying that these biases are real, and instead point out they are not like that themselves.

Luhluhluh, the one who discussed here the most and basically the only female in the discussion beside a moderator, is NT.
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The thing is, it has been pointed out on this forum, numerous times, that NOT ALL women like the same things. We are not all the same. That's been said over and over and over again. And it is repeatedly shot back down that stating you're an individual is exactly the same thing as having a hive mind. :roll:

Seriously, sometimes I think it's better that some people stay single. It's sad but if they can't move past their own internal blocks, maybe it's the best thing for everyone until they can get some help and resolve their issues.

While I understand that very frequent threads like this in this forum are annoying for you, I don't agree about the fact that, in general, talking about common behaviours of a certain group of people is incorrect unless they are shared by the entirety of them.



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