Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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04 Nov 2018, 5:30 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

How many incels need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves incels?

This is in such poor taste, after Friday's shooting. This thread should be locked out of respect for the women who were murdered by a self-described incel.

Of course, the shooting is (like all shootings) tragic and inexcusable.

But posts like this are exactly why this thread is relevant. You point to some instances in which individuals who identify as incels carry out horrible acts of violence, and use them as justification to condemn all lonely men. We all readily acknowledge that as bigoted when it is done in regards to any other group.

And Incel is not something I call myself; it's a reality of my existence. I'm getting pretty fed up with having to repeat this.

How many Muslims need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves Muslims?

F***ing SJWs and your bullsh!t double standards!

And by the way, this thread was started on October 27. In case you're bad at math, that was a whole week before Friday. Just an FYI.

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04 Nov 2018, 6:03 am

magnetowasright wrote:

But posts like this are exactly why this thread is relevant. You point to some instances in which individuals who identify as incels carry out horrible acts of violence, and use them as justification to condemn all lonely men. We all readily acknowledge that as bigoted when it is done in regards to any other group.

And Incel is not something I call myself; it's a reality of my existence. I'm getting pretty fed up with having to repeat this.

This is precisely the problem with this discussion. Some people think Incel means all men who can not get sex. Some people think Incel is a self identified group in which case, no, you can not be an Incel without calling yourself an Incel.

Just because 'Incel' is an abbreviation for 'involuntarily celibate' does not automatically mean it has to be a term to describe all people who are involuntarily celibate. Groups give themselves names, and if every word or part of a word in the name gets to decide who is or isn't included by its literal meaning, it gets pretty hard to give any group of people a name without including people that are actually not part of it.

All the articles you have linked to are perfectly fine if you consider the Incels they talk about to be people who hang out on those Incel forums and promote violence.
They are horrible generalizations if you think the authors mean all lonely men by 'Incel'. To me it didn't seem like they are talking about all lonely men albeit some wordings are badly chosen.

There won't be agreement on if articles about Incels are hateful towards lonely men, if there's no agreement about what Incel means.

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04 Nov 2018, 6:06 am

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Eye contact, dressing, and how to behave (e.i. non-verbal communication.) You know you're on a site for Aspies, right? Expecting us to master these things is like expecting a paraplegic to just "try harder" to walk.

Oh - you think aspies have to be idiots? I myself didn't master eye contact until I was 49! And I didn't even realize that this is a problem if it comes to girls. But if you approach a NT girl without looking in her beautiful eyes then she thinks you are not honest to her at all. Do you wan't a girl friend or keeping afraid of eye contact until you get the Darwin award? The first thing a NT girl does is looking at your eyes just to know whether you are interested in her or not. It's your first and possibly only chance to show her that you like her by establishing eye contact.
Here is a little guide for how to do eye contact in conversations if you don't know how to master it: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=368901&start=30#p8054848.

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And we do not lack empathy, we just don't have an effective method to communicate it.

You are not all of the spectrum. I for myself lack a some really important emotions and because of this I'm unable to feel empathy for them.
But if you feel empathy - and I really mean to feel the way that your opposite feels - then it shouldn't be a problem for you to get a girl friend once you master eye contact because you know how she feels for you and how you have to feel for her and what she expects from you to do then. :mrgreen:

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04 Nov 2018, 6:13 am

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sly279 wrote:

I can show you lots of feminism who are horrible people too should we hate the word feminism and not allow people to use it?
Lots of violent Muslims too guess muslim shouldn’t be used quick go tell feminist and Muslims to stop indentifying as such. Then we can examine any other many words that people use and do bad things. I dont know what words we’ll have left to use when we’re done though.

Go on then. Show us lots of feminists who are horrible people and show us lots of violent Muslims. We're waiting.

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How many incels have committed violence compared to Muslims who have yet the left says no it’s not as you can’t judge a whole group based on action of the few. They’re just a Bunch of f*****g hypocrites

Ok then. Why don't you tell us what percentage of incels have committed violent acts and what percentage of Muslims have committed violent acts and then we can compare.

But they did judge the whole Muslim group based on the actions of the few, didn’t Trump attempt a Muslim ban?

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04 Nov 2018, 6:14 am

Incels are more likely narcissistic sociopaths or schizoids than Aspies. Incels have the inability to show empathy because they do not have feelings. Elliot Rodger was a narcissistic sociopath with mental health issues including depression and social anxiety.

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04 Nov 2018, 6:15 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

You're not going to stop incel shootings by showing incels utter disdain.

How many incels are there? Probably thousands. How many have committed shootings like this? Maybe like 5 in the past 4 years. I guess that means we should line everyone up who identifies as incel and allow a firing squad to shoot them all. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

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04 Nov 2018, 6:16 am

We could be spared much angst and violence if we included dating lessons within sex education. Teens must be taught there's more to sex than putting a condom on a banana.

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04 Nov 2018, 6:46 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Go on then. Show us lots of feminists who are horrible people and show us lots of violent Muslims. We're waiting.

sly279 wrote:

Ok then. Why don't you tell us what percentage of incels have committed violent acts and what percentage of Muslims have committed violent acts and then we can compare.

But they did judge the whole Muslim group based on the actions of the few, didn’t Trump attempt a Muslim ban?

Yes, some people do. And the rest of us consider them bigoted for it.

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04 Nov 2018, 7:05 am

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma bomber was an incel, Columbine shooters were incels, Elliot Rodger was an incel, numerous mass shooters and serial killers have all been incels. Facts and evidence reveal true incels are evil people that carry out real crimes.

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04 Nov 2018, 7:12 am

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So the only solution would seem to be to stop people becoming incels

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04 Nov 2018, 8:48 am

Aspie19828 wrote:

So if a handful of individuals who fall into a certain diverse category of people carry out violent crimes, then you consider that to mean everyone who falls into that category is a violent criminal or evil person. This is what you consider "facts" and "evidence".

"Osama Bin Laden and all the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims. Sadam Hussein, who oversaw the genocide of the Shei'ites and Kurds in Irag was a Muslim. ISIS founder, Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, and its current leader, Abu Baker Al-Baghdadi, are Muslims. Hundreds of thousands of others who have carried out terrorist attacks across the world were all Muslims. Facts and evidence reveal true Muslims are evil people who carry out real crimes."

But you would never say that, right?

And since you brought the Oklahoma City bombing and Columbine shooting, both of which occurred several years before the term "incel" was coined, you cannot claim that by "incels" you only meant the specific sub-group of self-identifying "incels" who congregate on specific online forums to share specific misogynist ideologies. You meant all men who are chronically single and lonely.

You just want to use the extreme actions of a few outliers to rationalize your bigotry.

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04 Nov 2018, 12:35 pm

Anyway magneto, your very nickname doesn’t serve your cause well here.

Magneto, as a character, was often a mass murderer who attempted to wipe out humans, so that was very a poor choice of username.

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04 Nov 2018, 1:56 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Again with my username? It's just a username. You're not meant to read anything into it.

Am I supposed to infer from your username that you're a five billion year old immortal head without a body attached to it?

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04 Nov 2018, 1:58 pm

quite an extreme wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

But they did judge the whole Muslim group based on the actions of the few, didn’t Trump attempt a Muslim ban?

Did you ever look in the eyes of many muslims? Trump isn't wrong with doing so.

I have. Quite surprisingly, they look pretty much like everyone else's eyes.

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04 Nov 2018, 2:44 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

What’s there in their eyes, I am curious to know because I live among them.

There are a lot of quite hatefull, dishonest and often direspectfull people here in Germany now who seem to have a problem to accept the culture here. There may be a difference to the countries where this people come from.

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04 Nov 2018, 8:19 pm

magnetowasright wrote:

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

I very clearly stated (twice) in my brief comment that I was talking about people who identify as incels, not lonely people (because not all lonely people call themselves incels.)

I realize the thread was started before the shooting, but now that the shooting has happened I think it's disrespectful of the victims to let it continue. I would say the same about a thread defending anti-Semitic rhetoric that was started before the Tree of Life shooting, that after the shooting it should be locked out of respect for the victims of that anti-Semitic murderous attack.

I'm not even going to address the ridiculous "SJW" hyperbole directly because it's not worth my time or energy.

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