Broke men are hurting American women’s marriage prospects

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Didn’t say 80,000

Indeed, I'm sleepy, re-calculating currencies in my mind failed.
Fnord, you live in SoCal, do people spend 20,000$ on vacations?

I'm sorry for trying to see the hurt behind the anger and paint a more sympathetic picture. I won't do that again.
But the people you've met will always be a minority compared to those you haven't, and that goes for men and women alike.

I have a pretty big sample size.
Thousands and thousands of women. More then enough to call it a poll and post stats about it. Women from all over the west coast. And I see similar women from all over the USA posting on Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

Lots of magazines and news stories about how women shouldn’t date poor men exist too.
So it’s not hard to see it’s a society thing that most of women agree with and support.

Most part tell their girls “ don’t date poor me. They losers and not good enough for you” movies, books, music all says the same thing. Poor men aren’t good enough for women. Women need to be with middle class well off men.
No one raises their girls to date poor men, they want them to date men who go to college and get good paying jobs so they can live the good life. Not mIn wage living In a apartment .

I am hurt but excusing it away won’t help. Only when society a knowledges the problem can we begin to fix it. Like we fixed the fat women shaming. We need to raise women telling them it’s ok to be poor it’s ok to date poor men they aren’t losers they worthy of love too. Just like how society says poor women are worthy of love.

Middle class people spend a lot of money on vacations and mostly go in debt to do it.
Instead of middle clas they should be called debt class. Since most middle class are so deep in debt trying to live like they rich

It cost $1,400 TOTAL, INCLUDING airfare and INCLUDING HOTEL, for my wife and I to go to Rome, Italy, from NYC.

This was only about 8 years ago.

You can get a round-trip ticket from NYC to the UK (off peak) for about $500.

Round-trip airfare from NYC to Delhi, India is about $1,000. You can stay in a decent hotel there for like $30-40 a night. Or less.

sly - Are you in counseling of any kind?
There are so many truths you hold that make it impossible to lead a free and authentic life. It makes life like a prison. Your lack of connecting with those of the opposite sex who hold your values is a symptom of this cage that you are trapped in. Can you try and work with someone to get out?

Sly is not a small person. He's very much over 6 feet tall. He's not abnormally "fat."

8 years is a long time

It’s cost $3500 for me to fly to Rome And back for example. Then there’s the hotel costs , transportation costs, food costs, and other misc cost.
I doubt those prices a decent hotel in my s**t hole of a city is $140 a night and that’s for a not so good hotel and you won’t find any cheaper then $100ish with heavy discount.
Portland is $200 a night so I can see Rome or Delhi being capitals and bigger costing $400 or more a night.

When I looked at traveling to Japan it was going cost 8,000 ish and that was just travel and hotel. And so my dreams of that were dead.
I can’t even afford to travel
To see nyc or dc. Heck I can’t even afford to just go up to Portland for weekend.

Life is a prison but as long as most women see me as worthless subhuman trash cause I’m on disability and work min wage there’s no getting out. I just hope to die in my sleep some night soon.
I see no future or hope for myself.
I can’t not be disabled and most single women won’t date loser men like me so it’s hopeless.

I tried counseling first one told me to get more sun second said yeah I won’t ever get a gf unless I get a real job and spent my sessions job searching.

I don’t think any of the remaining single women hold my values.

I’m 100 pounds over weight for my height
I’m suppose to be 180-200 pounds I’m 290 pounds

You can actually get a decent hotel room in Rome for about $50. You can take the Metro to most of the tourist sites. It's about a half mile from a Metro station to the Vatican.

I went to San Francisco about two months ago. And I stayed in an Airbnb place for about $50 a night. It was about 15 miles south of San Francisco.

You can get a hostel room in NYC for about $60 a night. NYC is quite expensive as far as hotels are concerned.

In the winter, if you use Hotwire, you can get very cheap rates in the central part of cities like Chicago. I once stayed in a luxury, boutique hotel there for about $85 a night. That was in 2012.

You can, easily, spend less than $50 a day in any place in the world. Even in a very expensive city like Oslo, Norway. All you have to do is get stuff from a supermarket. Frequently, supermarkets have meals prepared for takeout (or takeaway). In the UK, I can get a meat pie and a Coke for about $3.00

Maybe if you stay in a room with 8 other people. I’d rather die then that so unless it’s a decent single person hotel room no thanks.
I’d never stay in a room with 8 strange men I’d be afraid the whole time and have panic attack.

I have no desire to visit the home of the hypercritical Catholic Church. I used Rome as example I’d never want to travel there.

I don’t really want to travel to nyc either there’s not much there for me now that I can’t shave.

I would have liked to travel somewhere. I’ve never left my state and I haven’t left my city in 10ish years. I hardly leave home except for work now. I’ve never stayed in hotel, never been on a plane never been on a train. I’ve never traveled. Most I did was stay at uncles beach house

Why can't you shave? That doesn't make sense.

Rome is not actually the home of the "hypocritical Catholic Church." Vatican City is. Vatican City is its own country. It's not part of Rome, or of Italy.

No. You can get a PRIVATE hotel room in Rome for $50......certainly less than $100 even in the peak tourist season.

I just looked and cheapest one was $180 for 7 day package price. Only way to get cheaper is hostels where there’s 8 people
In tiny room full of bunk beds.