02 Jul 2020, 5:27 pm
Chain: it's glaringly obvious why you've been so successful with women and I'd bet they're the interesting kind too 
Soit dit en passant, beaucoup plus de gens ici parlent français qu'allemand, thaï ou japonais.
02 Jul 2020, 5:45 pm
that1weirdgrrrl wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chain wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Socially speaking humans were always closer to chimps/gorillas, not to bonobos.
Speak for yourself... I am much more like a Bonobo
"Solange das patriarchalische Denken nicht die Grenzen überschreitet um den Frauen die Wahl zu nehmen, selbst zu entscheiden, Okey. Ich würde das jedenfalls NIE über mich ergehen lassen. Ich lasse keine Männer über mich herrschen. Ist mir völlig egal wie lange die menschliche Geschichte dieses Konstrukt am Leben erhalten hat.
Überhaupt zu denken ein Geschlecht könnte Herrschaft über ein anderes haben ist irrsinnig und bringt Leid. Alle Religionen werden vom patriarchalische Denken getrieben und schau wohin uns das geführt hat. Ganz zu schweigen welch grausame Taten wir dem Christentum zu verdanken haben."
Genau!
I should start writing Arabic or French here, It would be a true babel!
Do it.
I can't read German, but I can understand French. I don't know Arabic either, but I want to learn it.
Just put it in google translate
02 Jul 2020, 5:47 pm
Chain wrote:
Human cultures (tribes) are a balancing act between hierarchy and equality. Gender in this case is a cultural construct. There have been matriarchal societies. I lived in Japan for 3 years and even through the intense patriarchy there, I could see remnants of the older matriarchal society.
DNA is simply a form of memory as is culture. There is a survival of the fittest BUT that changes based on survival methods in a given species. Humans survive when the tribe is balanced between equality and hierarchy. Personally I don't like hierarchy at all and feel that we are past that tribal stage as a species. Hence "radical egalitarian"
DNA is simply a form of memory as is culture. There is a survival of the fittest BUT that changes based on survival methods in a given species. Humans survive when the tribe is balanced between equality and hierarchy. Personally I don't like hierarchy at all and feel that we are past that tribal stage as a species. Hence "radical egalitarian"
Matriarchy, when it arises, is specifically to do with either inheritance or a religious deity relating to a mother goddess.
02 Jul 2020, 5:49 pm
quite an extreme wrote:
LunaticCentruroides wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Socially speaking humans were always closer to chimps/gorillas, not to bonobos.
Patriarchy is one of the greatest tragedy that happened to the human race.
There's a reason why females are more picky than males.
Women may be picky but prefere on average the most dominant men. For this patriarchy seems to be especially the preference of women regardless whether you may like or dislike this.
This is true, you cannot deny that even the most ardent feminist quietly scans her community for the most dominant alpha male.
02 Jul 2020, 5:50 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LunaticCentruroides wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LunaticCentruroides wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
When it comes to DNA as memory, it shows that humans have been mostly patriarchal and polygynous through mankind history: https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-r ... ve-success
There are other evidences of that such such as our sexual dimorphism and.... the written history itself, “Patriarchal” species tend to have violent and territorial males, and... who always waged wars in human history?
Socially speaking humans were always closer to chimps/gorillas, not to bonobos.
Patriarchy is one of the greatest tragedy that happened to the human race.
There's a reason why females are more picky than males.
Most mammals are patriarchal and polygynous (the two things are very related btw).
I personally welcome polygamy, because it's indeed more natural than monogamy.
But patriarchy is monogamous, not polygynous.
We might have a different definition of patriarchy then?
Patriarchy was extremely polygynous too; when kings and tribe chiefs had hundreds of partners.
Even ancient Judaism was polygynous, and so ancient Hinduism (it stopped being since 1955 only). All these religions are a reflection of Patriarchy.
It took a monogamous form after the rise of Christianity in the world; even in the current Muslim countries which were previously Christian (ie. Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon...etc) the polygyny is frowned upon and not much socially tolerated.
Yes the men did. But not the women.
The men took the women to posses them, as if they're objects.
I have a huge aversion for religions, especially Christianity, (because in my homecounty people, including my grandparents, were driven by this belief system). And there's a reason why I have this perspective.
02 Jul 2020, 5:51 pm
02 Jul 2020, 5:51 pm
LunaticCentruroides wrote:
Überhaupt zu denken ein Geschlecht könnte Herrschaft über ein anderes haben ist irrsinnig und bringt Leid.
Volle Zustimmung. Es ist besser den Feminismus zu stoppen bevor er noch schlimmer wird.
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LunaticCentruroides wrote:
To even think that one sex could have dominion over another is insane and brings suffering.
You are totally right. For this it's better to stop the feminism before it becomes worse.
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Life has to be an adventure!02 Jul 2020, 5:52 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chain wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Socially speaking humans were always closer to chimps/gorillas, not to bonobos.
Speak for yourself... I am much more like a Bonobo
LunaticCentruroides wrote:
"Solange das patriarchalische Denken nicht die Grenzen überschreitet um den Frauen die Wahl zu nehmen, selbst zu entscheiden, Okey. Ich würde das jedenfalls NIE über mich ergehen lassen. Ich lasse keine Männer über mich herrschen. Ist mir völlig egal wie lange die menschliche Geschichte dieses Konstrukt am Leben erhalten hat.
Überhaupt zu denken ein Geschlecht könnte Herrschaft über ein anderes haben ist irrsinnig und bringt Leid. Alle Religionen werden vom patriarchalische Denken getrieben und schau wohin uns das geführt hat. Ganz zu schweigen welch grausame Taten wir dem Christentum zu verdanken haben."
Überhaupt zu denken ein Geschlecht könnte Herrschaft über ein anderes haben ist irrsinnig und bringt Leid. Alle Religionen werden vom patriarchalische Denken getrieben und schau wohin uns das geführt hat. Ganz zu schweigen welch grausame Taten wir dem Christentum zu verdanken haben."
Genau!
Moi je ne défend pas le patriarcat; mais j’étais simplement en train d'expliquer à LC comment c’est associé à polygynie (un homme + plusieurs femmes) - je ne suis pas vraiment d’accord avec elle que la monogamie vient du patriarcat.
Dans des certaines périodes de l’antiquité, le “marriage” était un privilège réservé pour les hommes élites (chefs, rois, nobles... etc); même si c’était un privilège pour une minorité mais néanmoins était un privilege masculin à l'extrême.
Maybe you're right. Maybe the beginning of monogamy was not patriarchy. I don't know myself when it began.
(I speak french myself, but I suck at writing it
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02 Jul 2020, 7:01 pm
Chain wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I should start writing Arabic or French here, It would be a true babel!
Sure... I will write in Thai and Japanese... German is pretty well covered and I am rusty as hell
عظيم، هيك منتسلى
02 Jul 2020, 7:02 pm
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