Monogamy is a bad system to Humans

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21 Jan 2008, 5:23 pm

I would love to know your life story. If there is anyway I can ever help someone that has any form of autism you can count on me to do it. I am trying to get my crush to write a book about his feelings toward it (of all things he is an English Professor and he is an author.) He's very interested in doing it too. I've told him that if he can help one parent help their child it would be worth it. Most people that know anything about HFA consider it more on the lines of Aspergers. What makes yours different?


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21 Jan 2008, 5:33 pm

This is pointless LittlePrince!

By your own definition WE at WP are not fit to breed. Not a person on this thread, or this site. Maybe a few Doctors and researchers, but certainly not the parents of AS kids who come here because even if they're NT they should not be allowed to breed again!

So Why would anybody else listen to someone with no breeding privilidges, meaning ANYONE alpha listing to YOUR ideas?



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21 Jan 2008, 5:40 pm

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Yes, I have a son that is 15 and has type one diabetes. And I wouldn't trade him for anything else in the world. I wish he didn't have it, but it doesn't make him any less of a person.


So you had children from one of these jerks that you mentioned before? what about the Aspie that you fancy today? Does he have children?


Btw, my brother is a genius aspie 28 yo and he's suffering from Auto-Immunity disorder that caused him Diabetes and Ulcerative Colitis (a Cancer-like disease that required the removal of the large intestines) . He's in the hospital right now and I am visiting him daily , he is 45 kg now and he's 166 cm height . We exchange places every night with a member of my family (father ,mother and sister) to take care of him.
This genetic disorder run in my family's bloodline , my mother's father had it , my father has diabetes (but the adult type but still genetically related with the kid diabetes).

My brother knows very well that he will never live a normal social life with his chronic condition , he blamed my parents once(in a severe pain moment) for giving him birth and he called their genes as sucks. It was harsh but somehow, I understand.

The health center told me that I am 30 time prone for having ulcerative Colitis than any normal person (or Crohn's disease or any kind of Colitis) and I should follow a precautious diet. This is the case of all siblings of someone who has Colitis or Crohn.

As child , I was born also with f***** genetic disorder too called abdominal migraine (my mother has migraine too and they are both genetically related) . This disorder cause imbalance in your brain and it causes vomit (about daily) , I was used to have 'vomit crisis' about 2 or 3 times per week or week and half and each crisis is equal to about 100 vomiting per day , I keep vomiting from morning tell the dawn of the next day, when there's no food in my stomach I vomited stomach bitter liquids. Sometimes a 'crisis' lasted for days and I entered the hospital for countless of times because of dehydration.

All the local doctors have wrongly diagnosed me , thinking that the problem was in my stomach (because i had ulcers in my stomach but this was caused by the frequent vomiting NOT the reason of vomiting) but never though that the problem was in my brain since , unlike the normal Migraine , an abdominal Migraine doesn't cause real headaches.
It's only when I was at age 12 ,a Lebanese US-Graduated brain doctor who had correctly diagnosed my condition and I was luckily treated with the proper medical but I suffered from the consequences of this disease much longer (lack of calcium in bones , scoliosis, lack of hemoglobin, lack of iron ....etc) not to mention the bad social effect that disease caused me at school.

At least , I am cured now and sadly I am much luckier than my brother.



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21 Jan 2008, 5:49 pm

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21 Jan 2008, 5:52 pm

I don't like "sex"

But I enjoy "making love"



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21 Jan 2008, 7:07 pm

I'm so sorry to hear about all the problems in your family. I am well educated in diabetes. My favorite male cousin died when he was 29 from complications. If I had the chance of him never being born or dying young. I would choose knowing him, I still think of him on an almost daily basis. He was the basis of the person I become, I react to things different than most because I know how precious life is.

I'm glad that your stomach problems have been fixed. I have an aunt that suffered from the same thing and she had to have a huge amount of her intestine took out. It seems to have fixed the problem because she is doing fine.

What makes HFA different than aspergers? You seem very intelligent.

Yes, my son is by one of the jerks. He was a person that suffered from narcissism and I was abused for years on a daily basis. I left the marriage with the lowest self-esteem you could imagine. I found an old school mate of mine on here and I realized from the first that he probably had Aspergers. (I'm actually the one that told him what it was. He has since been diagnosed.) He spent a good amount of time lifting up my self-esteem. He even suggested that it was possible for me to go back to school at forty and do great. (I have a 95 average now, and I give him full credit for it.) No, he doesn't have kids and he hasn't been in a steady relationship in years. In reality when you look at what the perfect man should be he has ever quality. He's kind, thoughtful, trusting and caring. And yes he knows I like him, but is much afraid of being in a relationship with me.


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21 Jan 2008, 10:45 pm

Apparently I missed something about what the hell eugenics has to do with monogamy..... which is what piqued my interest in the first place....

Someone already said it, humans cheat. They cheat a LOT. I've seen figures as high as 20% for children raised "as their own" by an unknowing male who's wife had some afternoon delight... probably while he was out with the Navy wife from down the block...

Get over it, eugenics was a stupid idea. It can't be applied to sentient beings who have access to weapons... we tend to BITE when we're pissed off.

I just thought it neat someone might be debating a system OTHER than monogamy, or what we currently have in the US which seems to be marry, cheat, divorce, marry someone else... cheat, divorce... That's not monogamy, that's boredom. Utopia's don't exist, and even if they did every man's (generic as in "huMAN") Utopia is another man's Hell...

I agree with what Robert Heinlein said, "genius's make up their own rules about sex". Look at Franklin, or Einstein they both "pushed the envelope" for what was accepted... not to mention Jefferson. My point is, unless you're held in by a strict religious belief (and the divorce courts show sometimes even then) people just don't seem destined to stick to one partner.

What do you do when two people love each other, share each other's interests, raise children together, but their sexual appetites are completely incompatible? And it may not be the woman shutting off the net in the mattress hockey league either... it may be the man. Is the partner supposed to accept enforced celibacy for life? Are they supposed to divorce someone they LOVE just because that person doesn't want to knock the boots?? Sex and love are two different things, true, it's already been said here... but check the Lancet back issues. People cut off from sex who desire it suffer health consequences... eventually severe ones. So? Would you rather watch someone you love get sick? Or acknowledge that he (OR SHE!! ! I'm an equal opportunity kinda guy, ladies...) may need to handle a biological need?

For the record about monogamy.. (since that's what this was titled) I don't care what competent adults do, as long as they're all in agreement and they keep their hands off children as playthings... 3 women want to get married?? Go ahead... 2 men? I don't flippin care.... 5 men and 4 women in a line marriage?? Go ahead. I have no religious hangups about that crap. What little devotion I have go's to the Lady in all her aspects, Maiden, Mother and Crone... I don't think she really cares about the sticky parts as long as people care about each other...

Now, I'd really like to hear what some of you think about this, instead of that other stuff. Frankly it kind of looked like something a teenaged boy would come up with daydreaming about the cheerleaders who wouldn't talk to him...


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22 Jan 2008, 4:25 am

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What makes HFA different than aspergers? You seem very intelligent.


Language delay. Asperger is a very HFA , some say that Aspies usually have higher IQ than HFAs. My IQ is about 115 which is slightly above average.



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22 Jan 2008, 1:07 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
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This is pointless LittlePrince!

By your own definition WE at WP are not fit to breed. Not a person on this thread, or this site. Maybe a few Doctors and researchers, but certainly not the parents of AS kids who come here because even if they're NT they should not be allowed to breed again!

So Why would anybody else listen to someone with no breeding privilidges, meaning ANYONE alpha listing to YOUR ideas?


Oh look who's talking! You are certainly not fit to breed as long you even don't like sex!

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt54428.html


I'm sorry, you were having perfectly reasonable debates before, but where the f**k do you get off saying this? Most if not all people on this thread have at least been civil towards you even while strongly disagreeing, and you resort to childish namecalling?

I don't think you deserve the dignity of reasoned discussion any more.



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22 Jan 2008, 1:35 pm

you're right , I apology to dave.



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22 Jan 2008, 7:09 pm

I concur with the OP.



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22 Jan 2008, 7:30 pm

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I'm 41 years old and when I think of the guy that I have deep feelings for reproduction is the farthest thing from my mind. I'm not looking to mate with natures finest either, but I am looking for a one on one relationship with someone that I care about deeply. I feel comfortable saying that if you are looking for a relationship and have no desire to be monogamous you will never be totally happy. Why not stay at home and flip through a magazine if you don't want the emotional attachment that comes from a relationship?


Your subconscious have different motives or else a pet or friends would be a good substitute.



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22 Jan 2008, 10:52 pm

I don't know a lot about HFA, but I'm trying to do research on it. Different IQ sites give different scores. On the Tickle one I scored 117. I hope you know even if you have language problems there is someone out there for you. You will find that we all love in the same language. I wish you would reconsider your opinions on this topic. And No I would not be better off with a pet. (I already have one of those.) The guy I like is a very good friend of mine and I do have sexual feelings for him. If the only way I can be in his life is as friends so be it, but I would prefer something more.


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23 Jan 2008, 1:15 am

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I think this thread should be in the science thread but since it talks about relations, and since this section has much more traffic then here we go:

From a pure scientific perspective,Monogamy is a bad system for the future generations of Humans. Monogamous might be a important factor for the increase of the inherited genetic diseases/disorders among the human population, why? It's simple , because Monogamy system is giving the opportunity and the right for every damn individual to get married and to have children, whether this individual has good genes or totally messed up genes. Today, almost everyone wants to marry , most men have the chance to have children and to get married , even the dwarfs and the inborn physically handicapped have the opportunity to get married and to have children = a better change to transmit bad genes from one generation to another = increase of # of physically handicapped babies = bad evolution in the long term!

Monogamy has suppressed the important evolutionary role that the female posses: The natural selection.
Female humans,like most primate species, are naturally the main controllers of the natural selection. The females are the ones who supposed to pick the best male in a group (=best genes for future children).
With the silly monogamous system, a lot of women are obliged to pick an unhealthy man as a mate since the gender ratio is almost 1:1 . Men and women are being brainwashed by silly religious ideas and by silly romantic ideas about 1women-1man-forever love sh** which make us hard to accept Polygamy.

The best reproduction system of the future of human's quality is an organized Polygamy :
-Only healthiest men have the right to have babies and women can only marry one of these alpha men. Each Alpha can breed with specified large number of womens.
- Alpha and beta females have the right to breed
-The very omega/unhealthy females have to right to breed
-The beta/omega males have no right to breed.

But then children would lack protection with 1 parent only and If men and women insist to live a "1woman-1man-forever family sh** life" that would make problems , there's a solution for that :
the best solution is the 'social and biological fathers' system , it's a biologically-polygamous system and it's socially-monogamous system at the same time.

Like most species of birds, only alphas can breed with the females but every male(including betas and omegas) can be a social father. An omega/beta male bird picks a female as a life mate to raise her babies with her despite the fact that he's not the biological father of her babies but the babies would gain the protection of 2 parents instead of 1! This is the smartest reproduction system : Best sperm win + Best genes transmitted+ family life (security).

Humans can do that too , we can allow only the alpha males among us to spread their spermas among the married women and their husbands would be the social fathers (betas/omega and even alphas) who would provide the necessary security and protection for the future children but an omega or beta must NOT be allowed to have children with her wife (better to infertile them Lol).

As for the STDs risk's spread , this can be easily controlled if the spemas of Alphas are well-checked in the sperm banks.

With this system , we would assure that the best set of genes among males would be transmitted to the next generation hence better offspring , healthier humans for the future, less probability of genetic diseases and we would assure the necessary protection and father's love for children and every1 would get the necessary affection and sexual life.

Crazy idea I know , but these are just thoughts :P


Agreed.



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23 Jan 2008, 2:02 am

Oh hey Little Prince no problem. :)

On another note I'm not very familiar with Language Delay. :?:

I'm so busy learning the how of AS that I hav'nt looked into the why much.



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23 Jan 2008, 2:44 pm

Good, more and more people are agreeing with me.


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