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09 Jun 2009, 11:02 pm

After spying on a lot of the picture threads, I've come to the conclusion that I find the intense and "emotionless" glares intriguing.

I think I'm able to estimate NT expressions (facial or otherwise) to an extremely accurate degree. So high even, that they themselves haven't even considered it, are ashamed of my findings or disagree for the argument's sake. Therefore they usually respond negatively to my comment and that causes me to get confused and hence I'm said to not being able to read social cues.

Since I have the exact same aspie stare myself (depending on mood), I consider myself qualified to interpret your emotions at that particular moment. And what I see is most often coincidentally exactly what I feel. I have, of course, considered the possibility that I project myself upon others and that I'm completely wrong in any case. What do you think?


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09 Jun 2009, 11:13 pm

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the possibility that I project myself upon others and that I'm completely wrong in any case.


That'd be half of empathy... the projection. Then the feelings kick in... which doesn't happen in quite the same way for us. :)

Which is why NTs interpret that Aspie look so negatively... it kicks in their negative minds. But in our case, it's clearly not empathy, 'cause they're so far off base.

As for the rest... being able to interpret faces, AS or NT... I'm not there yet. :roll: Still working on meeting the eyes.



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09 Jun 2009, 11:19 pm

I have trouble with meeting eyes as well. Especially if I have the attention of the person who owns the eyes. But I've spent very many hours analyzing random people (both genders) when I'm out. What I usually do is sit and observe. It's like a scientific experiment or something. :)


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09 Jun 2009, 11:29 pm

Oh yeah, I do that to. It's fascinating.

But maybe because I've been on the planet longer, or maybe because my AS manifests differently, I don't buy my own projections most of the time. I think I've been wrong enough times that I'm only willing to go so far as acknowledging the person appears upset or angry or introspective... or maybe it's because folks have been so wrong in their interpretations of my expressions, I'm not going to hurt someone by doing the same?

So I ask my friends... What's up? if they get one of those cloudy expressions and I happen to notice. :)



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09 Jun 2009, 11:41 pm

You absolutely have a point. I haven't had that much positive feedback to be one hundred percent confident in my own approach. It is however my only option at the moment, as I don't know how else I would approach this.

I used to ask my friends what's up. But I recognize that more often than not, the cloudy expression we're talking about is something they can handle on their own. Since they are confident about their own resolve, they will usually answer "Hmm? Nothing."

That is however not a proof of that I'm wrong.


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09 Jun 2009, 11:45 pm

I wonder... When I listen to someone talking and I'm concentrating on what they're saying, I basically stare at the eyes/nose and, as my wife tells me, have an emotionless face. I don't nod or say anything, just stare and listen.

My wife tells me that it's unnerving for NT's because they're not used to people that stare, and that it's impolite. I say it's the way I listen when I need to concentrate on what they're saying.

It seems I have to adapt to others' communication style, but nobody wants to adapt to mine.

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10 Jun 2009, 12:02 am

I'm extremely expressionless while listening, but I've noticed that squinting just a little bit make your appearance much more pleasant to NTs. I try to practice this with a mirror. :)


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10 Jun 2009, 12:12 am

I used to scare people using the "aspie eyes". I once made a younger cousin cry :P (yes, I should feel bad about it, but sadly I was quite proud :lol: )


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10 Jun 2009, 12:18 am

sunshower: Haha, that's awesome and evil. :twisted:

I think I can reproduce that exact stare quite easily. :mrgreen:


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10 Jun 2009, 12:40 am

"Kenjuudo" wrote"

I think I'm able to estimate NT expressions (facial or otherwise) to an extremely accurate degree. So high even, that they themselves haven't even considered it, are ashamed of my findings or disagree for the argument's sake. Therefore they usually respond negatively to my comment and that causes me to get confused and hence I'm said to [i]not being able to read social cues.[/i]

I think you're supposed to respond to the 'mask', not the real person. To NTs the mask is real and they find it shocking and socially gauche to
a) not 'see' the mask and
b) not know you are supposed to respond to the mask

...or something like that?



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10 Jun 2009, 12:50 am

Wow! What an interesting observation, Postperson.

I feel enlightened. :D


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10 Jun 2009, 1:23 am

The one I have that scares people is my piercing stare when I look right into someone's eyes. There's something about it that just freaks people out. One of my roommates last year was always staring people down as a joke. I freaked him out when I gave him my stare. I even called him a p**** for being afraid of eyes. :twisted:


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10 Jun 2009, 2:22 am

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Yes, I've posted my photo before....but relevant, I guess, since I've read/heard SO MUCH about 'Aspie Eyes.' Others do notice and I cannot know why. I am lousy at eye contact and just cannot look into another's eyes. Solar eclipse effect........Lab Pet has green eyes.


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10 Jun 2009, 5:42 am

My wife thinks that I stare too much at everything and everyone.


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10 Jun 2009, 6:44 am

Kenjuudo wrote:
I'm extremely expressionless while listening, but I've noticed that squinting just a little bit make your appearance much more pleasant to NTs. I try to practice this with a mirror. :)


imaging myself squinting made me laugh, i see how it would work though makes it look like you are thinking about what they are saying very seriously.

or it could make you look like you dont trust them or think they are lying.



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10 Jun 2009, 7:30 am

Combine it with a slight smile and try and see different looks in the mirror. :)


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