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PrincessMR1899
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29 Jun 2009, 2:45 pm

Ok, so about my date on Saturday, one thing did happen that I got really annoyed and mad about. We sat down at the restaurant, and immediately, he wanted to order me a drink...knowing that I don't/don't like to drink. I told him no, and yet, he went ahead and ordered me one anyways. I drank a little through the meal, and then didn't want anymore, and he was like, "You're not going to drink anymore??" And I said, "Nope. I don't want anymore." And then he said, "It was expensive," in a coaxing voice...I almost DIED when he said that.! !

I HATE pushy guys! I can't stand when a guy guilts me into things, especially drinking, or something I really don't want to do. What do you all think about this?? Wasn't it pushy and cheap of him or am I missing something??



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29 Jun 2009, 3:32 pm

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Ok, so about my date on Saturday, one thing did happen that I got really annoyed and mad about. We sat down at the restaurant, and immediately, he wanted to order me a drink...knowing that I don't/don't like to drink. I told him no, and yet, he went ahead and ordered me one anyways. I drank a little through the meal, and then didn't want anymore, and he was like, "You're not going to drink anymore??" And I said, "Nope. I don't want anymore." And then he said, "It was expensive," in a coaxing voice...I almost DIED when he said that.! !

I HATE pushy guys! I can't stand when a guy guilts me into things, especially drinking, or something I really don't want to do. What do you all think about this?? Wasn't it pushy and cheap of him or am I missing something??


He was trying to get you drunk so that he could... you know where this is going so I won't be vulgar. Anyway- he's a jerk. I just had to reply to this because there seems to be a gruesome misconception in about 70% of the threads in this forum that women actually LIKE this sort of behaviour and will only date men who act like this, spurning the nice guys. Not that I have any advice, other than --jerk. Stay away because he won't improve. I'm just hoping some of the men here read your post, process your negative reaction to jerkiness, and learn from it.



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29 Jun 2009, 5:19 pm

Ugh. I was so excited for you that he had asked you out... (and a little wistful, even :wink: )

That said, it doesn't mean he's a completley closed case. That did seem a skanky and manipulative thing to do. You need to be very careful with this one. From the few details we have, it sounds like he uses alcohol as a social lubricant, and expects you to do the same. It could be that he is a big drinker and it makes him feel uncomfortable/abnormal to be with someone who isn't. That's still a slippery slope.

Either that, or he just wanted to get you drunk for his own purposes, like Janissy said. Just be sure take care o' you. You sound far more circumspect than I could be after a date like that. :wink:


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29 Jun 2009, 5:44 pm

he was trying to get you drunk so...yeaaa. Definitely not a guy to be long term with...sorry =(


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29 Jun 2009, 6:11 pm

That's too bad, but I'm not so sure he was trying to get you drunk. It could be that he's a regular drinker and can't see how you can possibly have fun without alcohol. I'm a total non-drinker, and various people have been pressuring me all my life to have a drink, to loosen up, etc. (Usually, these people are alcoholics, and want everyone around them to be as miserable as they are.)

To me, though, this is a warning sign. It's not like he was saying, "You have to try these nachos," and then insisting you try them. Alcohol, like sex and drugs, are one of those areas where no means no, and he really should have listened. But not everyone listens. He may have been nervous and not thinking clearly about what he was saying.

If you want to go out with him again, I say go. But don't drink with him, and see how he reacts. If he's the type of person who needs alcohol to socialize, then drop him. You can do better.



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29 Jun 2009, 6:20 pm

KittenWithAWhip wrote:
Ugh. I was so excited for you that he had asked you out... (and a little wistful, even :wink: )

That said, it doesn't mean he's a completley closed case. That did seem a skanky and manipulative thing to do. You need to be very careful with this one. From the few details we have, it sounds like he uses alcohol as a social lubricant, and expects you to do the same.


It's pretty easy to suspect the worst when the sexes are reversed in this situation, but I dated a woman for a few years who would insist on me having a few drinks if she was drinking, and she'd get cranky and weepy when I'd refuse. She was kind of a pushy drunk, but otherwise harmless and pretty cool. It could very well be social anxiety, but I'd still be a little cautious this early on.

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(Usually, these people are alcoholics, and want everyone around them to be as miserable as they are.)


I usually find these people to be extremely uptight, and drinking gives them an excuse to let their freak flag fly.



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29 Jun 2009, 6:59 pm

Thanks for your replies everyone! I talked to my mom about it, and she said I'm getting worked up over nothing. She's like, "No one likes to drink alone. It's boring to drink and have the other person too uptight just sitting there not drinking...." I somewhat agree with this, but still...pushy pushy.

But she told me that he did wrong in pushing me anyways.



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29 Jun 2009, 10:17 pm

PrincessMR1899 wrote:
Ok, so about my date on Saturday, one thing did happen that I got really annoyed and mad about. We sat down at the restaurant, and immediately, he wanted to order me a drink...knowing that I don't/don't like to drink. I told him no, and yet, he went ahead and ordered me one anyways. I drank a little through the meal, and then didn't want anymore, and he was like, "You're not going to drink anymore??" And I said, "Nope. I don't want anymore." And then he said, "It was expensive," in a coaxing voice...I almost DIED when he said that.! !

I HATE pushy guys! I can't stand when a guy guilts me into things, especially drinking, or something I really don't want to do. What do you all think about this?? Wasn't it pushy and cheap of him or am I missing something??


He knew that you didn't like to drink, yet he went ahead and bought you an expensive drink? That is incredibly stupid; he had only himself to blame for losing money. You should have pointed that out to him.


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29 Jun 2009, 10:36 pm

I don't think he should of pushed you to drink, at all. If he know's you don't drink, then he should of never ordered you a drink in the first place. Plain and simple. And the fact that he tried to push you to drink it, is even worse. :ncool:

It sounds to me like he was trying to get you drunk and......


I'll let you use your imagination to finish that. :wink:


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29 Jun 2009, 10:41 pm

yea this guy sounds like a mess. maybe he was trying to impress you, who knows. and you should've pointed it out to him. Give him another chance and see how it goes, but if he acts stupid again then drop him



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29 Jun 2009, 10:54 pm

Yeah, i agree, you should probably give him another shot. If he tries the same crap again, then you know.


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29 Jun 2009, 11:24 pm

Janissy wrote:
He was trying to get you drunk so that he could... you know where this is going so I won't be vulgar.

jawbrodt wrote:
It sounds to me like he was trying to get you drunk and......

I'll let you use your imagination to finish that. :wink:


Since no one will spell it out clearly I will. This is an aspie board, and if someone has a question it is usually best to be frank.

I think that this guy very likely had bad intentions, namely, getting you into bed quickly and likely dumping you soon after.

Pushing to get you drunk is a warning sign.

However what is truly insidious here is the attempt at the guilt trip about the expensiveness. This is a dating technique that some guys use to try to get in their date's pants as fast as possible. What is to stop him from trying to guilt trip you from going to bed with him if he spent so much?

Give him another chance but be ready to dump this guy at a moment's notice.


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30 Jun 2009, 10:36 am

GoatOnFire wrote:

However what is truly insidious here is the attempt at the guilt trip about the expensiveness. This is a dating technique that some guys use to try to get in their date's pants as fast as possible. What is to stop him from trying to guilt trip you from going to bed with him if he spent so much?

Give him another chance but be ready to dump this guy at a moment's notice.


I think the low-class move he made with the "Gee, that drink was expensive" line rules out any future dates. The guy is a creep and a clod -- avoid him. Possible date rapist -- seriously.



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30 Jun 2009, 11:04 am

Image with both above me. Social anxiety or not, that was a sleazy manipulative move. Both pushing you into drinking, and guilting you by bringing up money in relation to you. This sounds sus, he definitely had bad intentions. If I were you I wouldn't see him again.

Ps. Don't give him another chance, because if you do he will likely assume that you'll put up with that behaviour and it'll be harder to set limits if he does it again. He's already ignored one "no".



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30 Jun 2009, 11:07 am

The guy clearly has no respect for you, i suggest you don't go out on another date, or speak to him again. It would only be wasting your time.



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30 Jun 2009, 11:58 am

activebutodd wrote:
Ps. Don't give him another chance, because if you do he will likely assume that you'll put up with that behaviour and it'll be harder to set limits if he does it again. He's already ignored one "no".


The woman I dated didn't like to drink alone. She liked drinking, she knew she acted silly when she drank, and she didn't want to be the only one embarrassing herself. I said, someone's got to be the designated driver, and eventually she stopped insisting. It turned out to be a great relationship and it lasted several years.

Just explain why you don't want to drink (or why you're saying "no" to any unreasonable request) and ask him to respect your decision. If he can't respect your decisions, then he doesn't respect you. If that's the case, dump him.