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Justin6378
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09 Jul 2009, 4:59 am

My question is when should i mention AS?
If i tell them straight away, i fear i may scare girls away before they have a chance to get to know me, but if i don't mention it they may just dismiss me as rude, cold and uncaring.
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09 Jul 2009, 5:03 am

Its not that necessary to mention the actual diagnosis. When you've gotten to know the person better, then you mention stuff like i really suck in social situations and or your other traits.



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09 Jul 2009, 6:06 am

I just put "I am quite eccentric, so I hope you dont mind :)" on mine. Them knowing you have aspergers might make sense of some of your quirks once you meet up with them, but I agree with desmonami. If it comes up, tell them, but saying you have any sort of syndrome might scare people off. I personally dont think Aspergers is this debilitating disease, but the word syndrome just of makes it sound like that, even though the meaning of the word doesnt really have any connotations of something bad. Hopefully you will get someone who is interested in or has a job dealing with autistic spectrum disorders, which will highly increase the chances of her (or him) understanding.

Good luck fellow online dater! By the way, what site do you use? I havent had any subscriptions, but im seriously concidering paying for it and trying to figure out which one is better.


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09 Jul 2009, 6:19 am

Personally I only tell people I have AS if I'm close to them. That way, if I do it shouldn't make much of a difference to the way they see me because some of the symptoms just don't hold, and those that do are just part of the person they already know and have befriended. It's not as if you will be behaving radically different tomorrow, and it's not that your condition is degenerative.

Perhaps I'm a little bit negative about this, but I find that if I tell people I have AS fairly early on in my interactions, the reaction isn't terribly sympathetic - it may even make other people more uncomfortable. Perhaps if you make a bad impression on someone he/she may tolerate you more if they can attribute your difficulty to AS, but I find a distinction between being tolerated and being liked, and an even stronger distinction between being tolerated and being considered dating material. So in your shoes I'd find people who like me for who I am first, then mention AS on a sort of "need to know" basis, and it is indeed rare that I mention it even among friends but perhaps necessary for a prospective girlfriend.



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09 Jul 2009, 6:24 am

I didn't intend to say i had autism on my profile, but when it came to writing "personality traits" that describe myself... well let's just say a trained eye would clearly see i was autistic... :?



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09 Jul 2009, 6:35 am

Thanks for your input people!
I think my bigest problem is having no experience talking to girls in a romantic way.
I'm still a virgin! (although not technicly, no thanks to a paedophile)


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09 Jul 2009, 8:48 am

On OK Cupid, I have taken many of their personality tests. Two show that I am autistic. One lady I have been corresponding with already knows it, and she is OK with it.


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09 Jul 2009, 11:17 am

How about just making mention of being social awkward, and having trouble expressing yourself? Like, mentioning the core problem, and letting them judge for themselves whether or not it's something particularly bothersome. The diagnosis means that it's bothersome for you, but some people (particularly those on dating websites who may have general trouble meeting people and have been in bad/manipulative relationships in the past) may actually consider a bit of social awkwardness a somewhat positive thing.. if that makes sense. You'll have to be really, really careful that they're not trying to manipulate you, though.



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09 Jul 2009, 11:46 am

I've found 'clinically quirky' to be a functional explanation; a complete and detailed life history is not a prerequisite to taking someone out on a date (in most cases).


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09 Jul 2009, 11:55 am

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Occupation: Long term sofa tester? (unemployed)


First seek a job , big kiddo.

You want to reach step 2 without reaching step 1? how so?

and don't mention AS on profile.



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09 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm

I do get a little frustrated when my unemployed ugly (sorry!) NT friends have no problems picking up girls.


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09 Jul 2009, 1:31 pm

I'm going to bend the rules a little bit about cross posting because I had literally just written a rather involved piece on this very topic in another thread before I saw this one, and I can't seem to link directly to the cognizant post.

These are my personal tips for using the website CraigsList to meet women for romantic purposes, I know a lot of people think you can only find escorts and call girls on CL, but if you know how to use it, it has a lot of potential for meeting people, and it's of course free.

The #1 thing for guys is to never, ever respond to adds in the casual encounters section, too many fakes and any likely looking female is going to be bombarded, it's too much trouble for too little payoff. If you want a casual sex partner, which can range from a "friends with benefits" arrangement to the somewhat sketchier "no strings attached" encounter, you need to post an ad. Here are a few pointers:

Have a recent facepic, or several, this is absolutely mandatory if you want any hopes of success. I like to use a photo I had an ex take of me in a sort of noir-ish style that I converted to black and white and ran through a filter to add some grain like an old movie still. It works wonders, and instantly sets me apart from the other ads. Put some effort into it, dress nicely, get someone to take the pic, don't use your cellphone and the mirror, etc. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES POST A COCK SHOT!! !

The next one is sort of a compound of several things, but they all are similar. Use Firefox, or another browser with an inline spell check, it will save you from looking like an illiterate hillbilly. Along the same lines, avoid any use of chatspeak, L33t, chanspeak, etc, it's not funny and nobody likes it. Use proper grammar, and sprinkle a few big but not ostentatious words throughout your ad, "ostentatious" would be a good example of the right kind of word that sounds smart but not pretentious, or like you had to Google it know what it means. Don't try to be funny, make "ironic" comments about being desperate enough to post on CL, or god help you, POST ALL IN CAPS!! ! All of these things are kisses of death, avoid them like the plague.

This isn't a kiss of death, but if you're male and posting in the MfW section, for some reason including the words "masculine", "open minded", or "open to new experiences" seems to be some sort of code for bi-curious, and you'll be flooded with offers of BJs on the sly from supposedly straight men. If that sort of thing appeals to you, go ahead and include those words, you'll be amazed at the volume of offers you get...

Don't write a novel, but don't go overboard with the whole brevity thing either, most people assume that very short ads are the work of spambots. Two decent sized paragraphs is just right, don't tell your life story, just say a little bit about yourself and what you're looking for. Here are a few easy ways to be upfront about your situation without frightening off potential partners before they have a chance to get to know you:

You have AS = "I'm not fond of the bar scene and prefer quiet get togethers" or "I'm very individualistic and prefer to do things my own way" are two artful dodges to trying to explain an obscure and poorly understood medical condition over the internet to strangers. Unless things start to get serious, they don't need to know why you're the way you are, and the general stuff sounds innocuous enough if phrased correctly. I'm sure anyone can come up with a few creative variations on this theme, just explain things about yourself without going into the why just yet.

You're unemployed/on disability or SS/broke etc = "My income is sporadic, and I'm not looking to be anyone's sugar daddy". Perhaps my greatest creation of disambiguation ever. This is how you say "I don't have a lot of money" without coming out and saying you don't have a lot of money, it works like a charm, especially if you make some small amount of money doing something creative and can add that you're self employed. The crown jewel of my advice contained here.

You live in your parents basement (this is a tough one, no guarantees) = "I rent a duplex from relatives" or "My mom/dad/grandparent's health is failing and I've moved home to support them", don't try the later if you're aiming for anything but a casual relationship for obvious reasons. There really isn't a good way around this one, it might be better just to say that you live with roommates and can't host, or something to that effect.

No car = Make any excuse you want about carbon footprint, the environment, etc, extra points if you mention bicycle commuting. Easier to deal with in the city, becomes an issue outside of urban areas with public transportation.

Speaking of spambots, always include a "codeword" in your post for any potential responders to include in their reply's subject line, making very clear that any replies not including the word will be reported as spam. This is a protip that will save you a lot of time and trouble, spambots can sound very convincing, but they currently cannot beat the code word system. The word can be anything, try to make it something that applies to your pics so it forms an easy association. I usually use something like "retro" when I use by BW noir pics, and it works like gangbusters at weeding out the fakes. Be sure to check your spam folder for any replies containing the word, sometimes they get filtered by overzealous email scanners.

On the same subject, create a new email account strictly for dating purposes with a fairly innocuous user name that's different from any handle you commonly use, preferably a Gmail account. I like to configure it so that I have a user pic that is identical to the one I use in my ad, and set it to send my first but not last name. If you use the same email address or user name that you do elsewhere, you run the risk of someone you reply to backtracking you to your Myspace, Facebook, or many other social networking sites that might provide them with more info about you than you want them to have.

Finally, don't try to bait and switch, it's just rude and will only end in tears. By that I mean posting pics that aren't you and/or have been "retouched", saying you're looking for a serious relationship to sucker people into sleeping with you, lying about your age, sexual experience level, what you're looking for, be up front and you'll generally have much better results.

All these things are from my own personal experience, they work for me and I'm convinced that they can be made to work for anyone with a modicum of intelligence who had even one attractive bone in their body. If there's a positive response, I'll elaborate on any points and go into how to go from online to meeting in person and beyond, as well as my experiences with other dating sites. Having successfully met (and more) people from Match.com, AFF, and OKCupid, I've racked up quite a bit of know how about what to play up and what to downplay on these sites, and how to make them work for an Aspie.


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09 Jul 2009, 2:15 pm

^^ the art of noble faking, I love it.



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09 Jul 2009, 4:07 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ the art of noble faking, I love it.


It's not so much faking as it is describing yourself in a way that won't make people turn you down without giving you a chance. Aspies are notably honest people and our bluntness is often misinterpreted, so a little savvy marketing goes a long way when it comes to hunting for a romantic interest.


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09 Jul 2009, 4:09 pm

Yes, never underestimate the value of a thesaurus. You can make almost any trait sound good :)



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09 Jul 2009, 4:27 pm

Dox47 wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ the art of noble faking, I love it.


It's not so much faking as it is describing yourself in a way that won't make people turn you down without giving you a chance. Aspies are notably honest people and our bluntness is often misinterpreted, so a little savvy marketing goes a long way when it comes to hunting for a romantic interest.



Your savvy marketing way might make wonders , but once the customer gets the product he/she will quickly find out how terrible this product is and realize how misleading its ad was. He/she's gonna throw it right away.

I suggest to improve the product first.