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ZEGH8578
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12 May 2009, 10:12 am

most chicks my age are not only taken, but has kids.
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whatever i get, whenever, if ever, will be the leftovers of someone elses unsuccessfull relationship.

awesome!


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12 May 2009, 10:21 am

Yeah I feel the same way.

Most guys around my age are already married!!


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12 May 2009, 10:30 am

welcome to the 21st century. try to look at it from a positive angle. girls and women have the same problem in relationships boys and men have. none of us innately understand what we really want in a relationship or how to get it. experience is the best teacher. if you have your heart set on an untouched virgin who's never been in a real relationship, you're not likely to have too much luck. even if you find her you'd basically have to be one of the luckiest people on the planet to get everything right.


people aren't "leftovers." people are people. we're all different and we won't necessarily be happy just because we try.
if you ever find someone who fits you well enough to be considered "the right girl," you won't care if she's been with one person or one hundred.

the only way to find someone who's never been touched by the outside world is to kidnap them at birth and keep them in a secret basement prison.


which is totally not cool so don't do that.

just try to see the positive aspects of experience.

love isn't some arcane magic, it just looks that way from the outside. if you ever find it, it feels natural.



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12 May 2009, 10:34 am

MissConstrue wrote:
Yeah I feel the same way.

Most guys around my age are already married!!


hah yeah now you gotta wait for one of them to mess up bad, and hope that he wasnt the main cause of the mess-up (cus that wouldnt be very promising for you :D)

i tell myself that theres more to life, but then i look around, and in MY case, its not really true. i got basically nothing :D

then i tell myself, what do i even want a relationship for?
1. GETTING one would mean months and years of snailing foreward, being too dysfunctional to just get to the point in one single evening, like normal people do "hi!" "hi there" *smooche-out*

2. what FOR? sex? kids? companionship? one by one, none of these factors are all that inviting.

still
its a sad thought

imagining myself at 80, w my computer, chatting and gaming :roll:


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12 May 2009, 10:35 am

My only stipulation for a marriage is that she's up for more kids... I don't care if she already has kids, but I need to have my own kids... I absolutely refuse to just be a caretaker for some other guy's kids... Other than that, I don't really care about whether she's a mother or not... Plus, any kids she has could provide a good indicator as to how good of a mother she is... for example, if the kids are well-behaved for their age, she obvioulsy has some skill as a mother and that actually increases her value...



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12 May 2009, 10:38 am

waltur wrote:
welcome to the 21st century. try to look at it from a positive angle. girls and women have the same problem in relationships boys and men have. none of us innately understand what we really want in a relationship or how to get it. experience is the best teacher. if you have your heart set on an untouched virgin who's never been in a real relationship, you're not likely to have too much luck. even if you find her you'd basically have to be one of the luckiest people on the planet to get everything right.


people aren't "leftovers." people are people. we're all different and we won't necessarily be happy just because we try.
if you ever find someone who fits you well enough to be considered "the right girl," you won't care if she's been with one person or one hundred.

the only way to find someone who's never been touched by the outside world is to kidnap them at birth and keep them in a secret basement prison.


which is totally not cool so don't do that.

just try to see the positive aspects of experience.

love isn't some arcane magic, it just looks that way from the outside. if you ever find it, it feels natural.


i know, ive just been underprioritized, cheated on and left for _others_ before, ive never been someones 1st choise, and i never will be.

BTW
where did you get that name? one of my main characters in my sci fi is called "waltur" he is named after a planet that i gave the same name! i was hoping that specific variation wasnt common among "us earthlings" :D


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12 May 2009, 10:42 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
My only stipulation for a marriage is that she's up for more kids... I don't care if she already has kids, but I need to have my own kids... I absolutely refuse to just be a caretaker for some other guy's kids... Other than that, I don't really care about whether she's a mother or not... Plus, any kids she has could provide a good indicator as to how good of a mother she is... for example, if the kids are well-behaved for their age, she obvioulsy has some skill as a mother and that actually increases her value...


its not so much kids or not. i dont even want any kids. overpopulation is having a riot allready, its just the knowledge, that i will always come second, third, fourth, fifth, and so on.


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12 May 2009, 12:45 pm

People are marrying older. If you want an idea of where you fit in your country as a whole, start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_at_first_marriage

EDIT: why is the age so much lower in the U.S. than it is in Canada?



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12 May 2009, 12:50 pm

Hector wrote:
People are marrying older. If you want an idea of where you fit in your country as a whole, start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_at_first_marriage

EDIT: why is the age so much lower in the U.S. than it is in Canada?


PHEW! i got 3 years to go :O


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12 May 2009, 2:34 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Yeah I feel the same way.

Most guys around my age are already married!!


hah yeah now you gotta wait for one of them to mess up bad, and hope that he wasnt the main cause of the mess-up (cus that wouldnt be very promising for you :D)

i tell myself that theres more to life, but then i look around, and in MY case, its not really true. i got basically nothing :D

then i tell myself, what do i even want a relationship for?
1. GETTING one would mean months and years of snailing foreward, being too dysfunctional to just get to the point in one single evening, like normal people do "hi!" "hi there" *smooche-out*

2. what FOR? sex? kids? companionship? one by one, none of these factors are all that inviting.

still
its a sad thought

imagining myself at 80, w my computer, chatting and gaming :roll:


Yeah I kind of feel the same way.

I don't think I could live the rest of my life alone...but I am already.

On the otherhand, relationships take a lot of energy and space....I like my space. So I'm caught between wanting freedom from a relationship and wanting a relationship. I think much of my ASD related issues has something to do with this. I'm even crap when it comes to lasting friendships because most people confuse my cold and distant countenance to that of being no longer interested.


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12 May 2009, 2:52 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
whatever i get, whenever, if ever, will be the leftovers of someone elses unsuccessfull relationship.

awesome!


Everybody comes with some kind of baggage. Even you. That's what happens when you live life.



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12 May 2009, 3:00 pm

deadeyexx: i know that, im just wallowing in my one-time-forever-loss at being someones "#1"

MissConstrue wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Yeah I feel the same way.

Most guys around my age are already married!!


hah yeah now you gotta wait for one of them to mess up bad, and hope that he wasnt the main cause of the mess-up (cus that wouldnt be very promising for you :D)

i tell myself that theres more to life, but then i look around, and in MY case, its not really true. i got basically nothing :D

then i tell myself, what do i even want a relationship for?
1. GETTING one would mean months and years of snailing foreward, being too dysfunctional to just get to the point in one single evening, like normal people do "hi!" "hi there" *smooche-out*

2. what FOR? sex? kids? companionship? one by one, none of these factors are all that inviting.

still
its a sad thought

imagining myself at 80, w my computer, chatting and gaming :roll:


Yeah I kind of feel the same way.

I don't think I could live the rest of my life alone...but I am already.

On the otherhand, relationships take a lot of energy and space....I like my space. So I'm caught between wanting freedom from a relationship and wanting a relationship. I think much of my ASD related issues has something to do with this. I'm even crap when it comes to lasting friendships because most people confuse my cold and distant countenance to that of being no longer interested.


huh yeah, im losing friends as we speak. one of them invited me to his wedding, and after ive expressed my sincere doubts that ill show up (its gonna be far from here, ill have to spend a weekend with tons of people i dunno. maybe ill go, but i doubt it) hes tried to not get hurt by it, but i can tell, and i feel crap about it.

i got like 3 friends all in all, 4 including le dealer :D
whom i only talk to when... you know! haha

my other "best friend" called me 5 times in one day, this weekend, cus he was bored, and in the city, the last time he called i just picked the phone up, yelled "NO!! !" and hung up. also felt kinda crap after that :]


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12 May 2009, 3:17 pm

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people aren't "leftovers." people are people. we're all different and we won't necessarily be happy just because we try.
if you ever find someone who fits you well enough to be considered "the right girl," you won't care if she's been with one person or one hundred.

It's true. However, guys who don't have the best looks, social skills, and wealth simply cannot (or I could go as far as saying "don't have a right to") get a highly desirable girlfriend. There is a brutally strict pecking order that governs male/female relationships. Good looking, very socially charming, and highly aggressive men, known as jerks or alpha males, get the best, most highly desirable women. Beta males, which is any men who aren't alpha, get the less desirable women, and oftentimes, the men at the lower end of this group have to settle for people they're not attracted to. I know, because I'm a beta male myself. If I had tons of money drop from the sky, I'd definitely get plastic surgery, so I can at least move toward the upper end of the beta category. I can swear on all that is good and decent that I'll never be an alpha male.



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26 May 2009, 11:49 am

the alpha male is a myth. since, as humans, we generally pair up instead of giving an alpha male mating rights over the entire tribe (for the most part). to be an alpha male requires an attitude shift. this was very hard for me until i learned that there are as many different types of females as there are males (which, in and of itself was more than i had realized). for a very long time, i had a "me vs them" attitude toward everyone i didn't get... which was... well... everyone.

more and more i find myself "getting" people now and i realize that for the most part, i really don't care about the things they care about and they don't care about what i care about. there's no point in looking for a relationship when your worldview is based on "me vs them" and so all attempts ultimately fail until you can find an "us." sometimes, this can be as simple as finding that one-in-a-million match that you innately understand and who understands you. more often, this is the more complicated path of finding someone who you care to learn more about. this path will often dead end when you find out more about them that you don't like or just can't relate to. that's ok. you can never succeed until you understand what causes failure.


in any case, i have a feeling that by "desirable" you mean "sexy." insert lame beauty is in the eye of the beholder b.s. here. ok now that that's out of the way, let me let you in on a little secret. hot girls are rarely worth it. seriously. when was the last time you had a conversation with one of these more "desirable" women that you were interested in for the topic's sake? if the purpose of a girlfriend, for you, is a sexual partner, then that's fine. it won't last and it will be annoying to keep up but whatever rocks your boat. if, on the other hand, your purpose in wanting a girlfriend is a lifelong companion, try to keep in mind that it takes a lot of money to keep a hot girl hot her whole life anyways, and you'll be spending a lot more time talking to each other than you'll spend in bed.







as far as the name "waltur," i'd love to fill you in but i have terrible time management skills and must quickly dress and run out the door as i'll be late for work soon. if you search "waltur" you'll find a thread where someone asked the origin of nicknames and i replied with the answer to mine.



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26 May 2009, 12:00 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
My only stipulation for a marriage is that she's up for more kids... I don't care if she already has kids, but I need to have my own kids... I absolutely refuse to just be a caretaker for some other guy's kids... Other than that, I don't really care about whether she's a mother or not... Plus, any kids she has could provide a good indicator as to how good of a mother she is... for example, if the kids are well-behaved for their age, she obvioulsy has some skill as a mother and that actually increases her value...


its not so much kids or not. i dont even want any kids. overpopulation is having a riot allready, its just the knowledge, that i will always come second, third, fourth, fifth, and so on.


If you have at least one child, you know that *someone* in this world has you to thank for their very existence, even if they don't acknowledge it...

That aside, western culture has become so narcissistic that no woman (or anyone, really), even if they have never had a relationship, will never consider you "first" in their life... there's a reason "looking out for number one" refers to oneself...



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26 May 2009, 12:30 pm

waltur wrote:
as far as the name "waltur," i'd love to fill you in but i have terrible time management skills and must quickly dress and run out the door as i'll be late for work soon. if you search "waltur" you'll find a thread where someone asked the origin of nicknames and i replied with the answer to mine.


i found it :D
in my novel the character waltur manages to destroy a whole planet, for then to recieve eternal torture and misery :D
hes one of my keepers, that is, i wont kill him off


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